How’s the Metering Going
#31
You clearly do not understand McCaskill-Bond either. Only once the two groups were under the same JCBA would the two groups be combined and the SLI - not the JCBA - then governs the seniority. Why then would any endeavor pilot NOT fight to carry over as much possible of his/her seniority from a time when they were “flying Delta pax in Delta aircraft” when they merged with Mother D? They have everything to gain and nothing whatever to lose. McCaskill-Bond was designed precisely to PREVENT staples. It would eventually wind up - like most SLIs do - in arbitration and ultimately no matter if DOH was used, RS, was used, or a combination of both, the Endeavor group would gain something, and that something can only come at the expense of the Mother D pilots.
https://skift.com/2012/06/30/the-sen...rlines-morale/
Nor would it be only the Endeavor pilots pushing this. ALL of the Endeavor employee unions would push for this, because they would all benefit by it.
https://skift.com/2012/06/30/the-sen...rlines-morale/
Nor would it be only the Endeavor pilots pushing this. ALL of the Endeavor employee unions would push for this, because they would all benefit by it.
An airline *could* simply do it regardless of what their pilots prefer, but there are several reasons they would not want to go there...
1. Operational blowback from the OG pilots.
2. They would much rather hire the people they want, and grow them to be the CA's they want, as opposed to mixing in outsiders in a divisive manner. Especially in light of aforementioned industry attitudes... They don't want to displace CA James "Tequila" Sunrise (Academy and Weapons School grad) in favor Ricky "Bubba" Braxton Davis (GED and Truckmasters grad).
DAL is probably the least likely to SLI a regional, since they have fewer retirements, and are in the top one or two preferred destination airlines for pilots anyway.
With other legacies, if you got into a regional merger situation that was not ALPA v. ALPA, then it might play out differently. I'm 99% sure that the MB act does not require the JCBA before SLI, that's actually an ALPA thing.
#32
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You clearly do not understand McCaskill-Bond either. Only once the two groups were under the same JCBA would the two groups be combined and the SLI - not the JCBA - then governs the seniority. Why then would any endeavor pilot NOT fight to carry over as much possible of his/her seniority from a time when they were “flying Delta pax in Delta aircraft” when they merged with Mother D? They have everything to gain and nothing whatever to lose. McCaskill-Bond was designed precisely to PREVENT staples. It would eventually wind up - like most SLIs do - in arbitration and ultimately no matter if DOH was used, RS, was used, or a combination of both, the Endeavor group would gain something, and that something can only come at the expense of the Mother D pilots.
https://skift.com/2012/06/30/the-sen...rlines-morale/
Nor would it be only the Endeavor pilots pushing this. ALL of the Endeavor employee unions would push for this, because they would all benefit by it.
https://skift.com/2012/06/30/the-sen...rlines-morale/
Nor would it be only the Endeavor pilots pushing this. ALL of the Endeavor employee unions would push for this, because they would all benefit by it.
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You do not have to sit at the kiddie tale forever. come on over....The water is warm!
#34
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When are you all going to stop playing with this student council of a union? You consistently lose pay, career progression, quality of life etc to ALPA carriers. Many of the mainline partners you fly for are ALPA carriers. is the 300% pay and emails from old Chip bragging that you are a "family airline" too good to leave?
You do not have to sit at the kiddie table forever. come on over....The water is warm!
You do not have to sit at the kiddie table forever. come on over....The water is warm!
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When are you all going to stop playing with this student council of a union? You consistently lose pay, career progression, quality of life etc to ALPA carriers. Many of the mainline partners you fy for are ALPA carriers. is the 300% pay and emails from old Chip bragging that you are a "family airline" too good to leave?
You do not have to sit at the kiddie tale forever. come on over....The water is warm!
You do not have to sit at the kiddie tale forever. come on over....The water is warm!
So stop rubbing it in our faces.
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Most of the crews in base were good folks though.
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#38
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Not a chance, Delta hires Spirit pilots regardless of where they were before. Once you're out of their regional pool you're fair game. Not everybody is willing to go through the turmoil of starting over twice though to get where they want to go so not everybody does it. But I am regretting not leaving here for Spirit like I should have 3-4 years ago. Got my 1000 hrs PIC, 2 type ratings, and just finished my degree. Here I sit, $90/hr.
You are actually 100% wrong. Delta will meter you if you leave any DCI carrier for a ULCC, same as if you hadn’t left, as DCI management views that as an attempt to make an end run around their metering policy.
#39
And yet if you leave for AA/UAL and then go to Delta why won’t meter you even though it’s exactly you running around their policy
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