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Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3446797)

why even pay the captains that much, they can plop a wet ATP and a wet commercial together. Pay the captain a little more than they pay current FOS and they would have takers. This will also help built peoples 1000 121sic /135 Capt Time so they can be a captain on the 121 side which is where they are hurting.

They've already had enough incidents with >2500hr captains... the last thing they're going to do is try 1500hr captains.

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Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3446801)

They've already had enough incidents with >2500hr captains... the last thing they're going to do is try 1500hr captains.

do you really think this? They will offer it to very low time FOs on the 121 side for a few dollars more an hour. Save the company money.

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Originally Posted by russvan (Post 3446785)

It is a way for Skywest to outsource CRJ pilots' jobs to less qualified, lower paid pilots. Skywest planes on Skywest routes should be flown by Skywest 121 pilots. This is just a way for management to pay its pilots a lot less than they deserve. And now they can say they've "solved" the pilot crisis so Envoy/PSA/Piedmont payscales are unnecessary. We'll get stuck with a $5 raise and like it!

A scope agreement would've been nice in this instance.

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Originally Posted by russvan (Post 3446785)

It is a way for Skywest to outsource CRJ pilots' jobs to less qualified, lower paid pilots.

If they have a commercial cert and pass the checkride then they are indeed qualified to sit right seat. And pilots with less experience should be paid less.

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Originally Posted by russvan (Post 3446785)

Skywest planes on Skywest routes should be flown by Skywest 121 pilots.

Says who? If it is legal for them to start a 135 operation to better serve their customers, then why not?

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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3446855)

Says who? If it is legal for them to start a 135 operation to better serve their customers, then why not?

except for the fact that it is not better for customers, the only people its better for are the shareholders

Please stop responding to sonic flyer.

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Originally Posted by VegasChris (Post 3446860)

except for the fact that it is not better for customers, the only people its better for are the shareholders

You're trying to say that service in a crappy 200 is worse than no service at all? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by RJSCUM (Post 3446087)

Would love to see a union on property

What do you think a union will honestly get you at a regional? My previous job was at a unionized 121 regional, and I was never once impressed by what they provided, especially not enough for me to be happy about the dues I had to pay. If you need a current example, take a look at the contract Mesa is voting on right now. How on earth did that get the approval to send to the pilot group for a vote?!

People want to say the AA wholly owned airlines a good example of what a union can get, but I can say with extremely high confidence that AA was 100% on board from the start, and may have even been the ones to come up with all of it and just got the union to sign off. Why? They are DESPERATE to retain anyone they can, because they are losing mass amounts of their pilot group to ULCCs.

Don't be shocked when AA declares bankruptcy again after they get what they need out of this and reset their regionals rates to much lower levels. AA hasn't made a profit since covid started, we're in the middle of an economic downturn, and things aren't exactly looking up for their wholly owned regionals or AA themselves.

At the end of the day, in my opinion, unions at the regionals are waste of my income and just an income source for ALPA or whatever organization is "representing". People can argue with me all they want, but I have lived both sides, union and non-union, and one has been way better to me than the other, so opinion is not likely to change.

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Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3446815)

do you really think this? They will offer it to very low time FOs on the 121 side for a few dollars more an hour. Save the company money.

yes… They will offer it to low time FOs and pair them high time 65/66/67 year old captains. Not an ideal match but that’s what they’ll do 100%.

Just like they did at great mistakes

Everyone is posting about how low the payscale is for the new 135 operation, can you please post those rates? I can’t seem to find them posted anywhere. Has SAPA “negotiated” them and just posted them internally?