Skywest Inc to add E175 to fleet?
02-22-2013 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
My understanding is XJT's contract has a provision that large-RJ rates can be decided by an arbitrator if negotiations aren't fruitful. In light of the recently signed regional contracts (e.g., Pinnacle), the company probably thought an arbitrator would be friendly to their cause.
So the XJT'ers wouldn't necessarily volunteer to undercut ASA. But they decided to ignore the TPA they signed and exclude the ASA MEC from the closed-door negotiations. So there's that.
So the XJT'ers wouldn't necessarily volunteer to undercut ASA. But they decided to ignore the TPA they signed and exclude the ASA MEC from the closed-door negotiations. So there's that.
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Second of all, as a member of the XJT MEC are you admitting on a public forum that your MEC is "Acting in any manner to circumvent, defeat or interfere with collective bargaining between the Association and an employer or with existing collective bargaining agreements."? (Article VIII, ALPA C&BL) Really? Say it ain't so Joe.
02-22-2013 | 03:55 PM
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Incorrect. The T&PA only has a notification and ratification clause. The disagreement is on whether the ASA MEC gets a ratification vote. That question is being answered through the dispute resolution process in the T&PA. In any case, it'll be moot because the XJT MEC won't get a ratification vote either since this will most likely go to arbitration.
Actually, that sounds like exactly what the ASA MEC is doing...acting in a manner to interfere with bargaining between the association and an employer...
Actually, that sounds like exactly what the ASA MEC is doing...acting in a manner to interfere with bargaining between the association and an employer...
02-22-2013 | 03:56 PM
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First of all, don't get all salty with me because I decided to leave XJT and further enhance my career. last I checked I am still a member of the MEC and will continue to represent my pilots until February 28th.........
Yeah, keep dreaming............That is not what I said, at all. We both know who is responsible for blowing this whole thing up and why............It is impossible to move forward and agree on anything when your side is unwilling to move on anything................It's called negotiations, give a little, take a little. So far the only side that has budged has been ours.
Anyway, just because I am leaving doesn't mean I don't care what happens to this place. I have been an elected REP since one week after getting off probation five and a half years ago. I thought we would have a joint contract a long time ago and have MANY MANY friends that have a lot riding on ExpressJet succeeding. I hope both sides can figure out something and move forward sooner rather than later
Yeah, keep dreaming............That is not what I said, at all. We both know who is responsible for blowing this whole thing up and why............It is impossible to move forward and agree on anything when your side is unwilling to move on anything................It's called negotiations, give a little, take a little. So far the only side that has budged has been ours.
Anyway, just because I am leaving doesn't mean I don't care what happens to this place. I have been an elected REP since one week after getting off probation five and a half years ago. I thought we would have a joint contract a long time ago and have MANY MANY friends that have a lot riding on ExpressJet succeeding. I hope both sides can figure out something and move forward sooner rather than later
02-22-2013 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony:1358304
First of all, don't get all salty with me because I decided to leave XJT and further enhance my career. last I checked I am still a member of the MEC and will continue to represent my pilots until February 28th.........
Yeah, keep dreaming............That is not what I said, at all. We both know who is responsible for blowing this whole thing up and why............It is impossible to move forward and agree on anything when your side is unwilling to move on anything................It's called negotiations, give a little, take a little. So far the only side that has budged has been ours.
Anyway, just because I am leaving doesn't mean I don't care what happens to this place. I have been an elected REP since one week after getting off probation five and a half years ago. I thought we would have a joint contract a long time ago and have MANY MANY friends that have a lot riding on ExpressJet succeeding. I hope both sides can figure out something and move forward sooner rather than later
Yeah, keep dreaming............That is not what I said, at all. We both know who is responsible for blowing this whole thing up and why............It is impossible to move forward and agree on anything when your side is unwilling to move on anything................It's called negotiations, give a little, take a little. So far the only side that has budged has been ours.
Anyway, just because I am leaving doesn't mean I don't care what happens to this place. I have been an elected REP since one week after getting off probation five and a half years ago. I thought we would have a joint contract a long time ago and have MANY MANY friends that have a lot riding on ExpressJet succeeding. I hope both sides can figure out something and move forward sooner rather than later
02-22-2013 | 04:23 PM
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Ok, I'm off to go celebrate with my buddies for no longer being a "REGIONAL" pilot
( I'm just busting balls)
02-22-2013 | 04:38 PM
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Incorrect. The T&PA only has a notification and ratification clause. The disagreement is on whether the ASA MEC gets a ratification vote. That question is being answered through the dispute resolution process in the T&PA. In any case, it'll be moot because the XJT MEC won't get a ratification vote either since this will most likely go to arbitration.
Actually, that sounds like exactly what the ASA MEC is doing...acting in a manner to interfere with bargaining between the association and an employer...
Actually, that sounds like exactly what the ASA MEC is doing...acting in a manner to interfere with bargaining between the association and an employer...
First of all, don't get all salty with me because I decided to leave XJT and further enhance my career. last I checked I am still a member of the MEC and will continue to represent my pilots until February 28th.........
Yeah, keep dreaming............That is not what I said, at all. We both know who is responsible for blowing this whole thing up and why............It is impossible to move forward and agree on anything when your side is unwilling to move on anything................It's called negotiations, give a little, take a little. So far the only side that has budged has been ours.
Anyway, just because I am leaving doesn't mean I don't care what happens to this place. I have been an elected REP since one week after getting off probation five and a half years ago. I thought we would have a joint contract a long time ago and have MANY MANY friends that have a lot riding on ExpressJet succeeding. I hope both sides can figure out something and move forward sooner rather than later
Yeah, keep dreaming............That is not what I said, at all. We both know who is responsible for blowing this whole thing up and why............It is impossible to move forward and agree on anything when your side is unwilling to move on anything................It's called negotiations, give a little, take a little. So far the only side that has budged has been ours.
Anyway, just because I am leaving doesn't mean I don't care what happens to this place. I have been an elected REP since one week after getting off probation five and a half years ago. I thought we would have a joint contract a long time ago and have MANY MANY friends that have a lot riding on ExpressJet succeeding. I hope both sides can figure out something and move forward sooner rather than later
02-22-2013 | 07:06 PM
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MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHA ASA didn't purchase anything, it was SkyWest. Don't be upset that the XJT MEC wants to take the lead, after all our concessionary contract is a large upgrade from your current contract........let the professionals handle it
Ok, I'm off to go celebrate with my buddies for no longer being a "REGIONAL" pilot ( I'm just busting balls)
Ok, I'm off to go celebrate with my buddies for no longer being a "REGIONAL" pilot
( I'm just busting balls)I think the "we bought you" attitude from ASA combined with the larger XJT group protecting what they have is creating a total Sh*t show of a merger! I wouldn't bet 15 cents on a successful merger with-in the next 5 years. If ever.....
02-23-2013 | 04:20 AM
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02-23-2013 | 04:28 AM
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ding ding ding ding, we have a winner. While both sides bicker over Flight-line/ SmartPref, our side is putting rates in place that will all but guarantee any new A/C come on the ERJ side. It's like a voluntary race to the bottom. We continue to fight with each other, management takes advantage and negotiates a "cost competitive" rate for larger A/C on the ERJ side. I would venture to say the best thing the joint group can do at this point (being WE WILL NEVER ALL AGREE ON A PBS) is to flip a coin (heads SmartPref, tails Flightline) and move forward................ I say that in jest but in reality I don't see both groups ever coming together on one system.
And the ASA MEC, at the end of last year, asked the Company and the XJT MEC to put SmartPref our to all pilots so as to allow them to see the product.
The answer from both the Company and XJT MEC was NO!
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