dontsurf

nevets doesn't care about actual unity. he just cares about everyone being in alpa. he couldn't care less if we at skywest actually stand together and keep help keep the industry from falling farther down. he would only care if we were alpa.

if we became alpa, nevets then wouldn't care if we voted in a big concessionary package...he would just hail the fact that we did so as an alpa represented group.

ehaeckercfi

Best explanation yet!

TMoney

Thank you very much for the update. I know there are some people who will always be negative and post about how we can't get along if we aren't all unionized or that if you are unionized you're in the wrong. Every company is different and has reasons for having or not having a union. That should be respected. If you don't work there then you don't know the reasons for others to want to have or not have a union. At SkyWest I am happy to not have a union because I don't think we need one. If I was at Republic, I may feel differently towards unions. Bottom line, I'm just appreciative of hearing that the Eagle pilots (and hopefully all regional pilots) are willing to look beyond the union issue to keep from losing quality of life at any and all of our respective companies. Union or non-union. We are all pretty damn kickass and should get paid more...not accept concessionary contracts. Stay positive and stick together, regardless of what company name is on the nose of the plane in tiny letters that the flying public never notices or really cares about.

Nevets

Look, this is a "stop the whipsaw" campaign. Guess what? Us XJT pilots are getting whipsawed by Skywest pilots! And that's before we get whipsawed against the rest of the industry.

So don't go try to rationalize your coat tail riding! You want to stop the whipsaw? Then the first thing Skywest pilots need to do is unionize! Anything other than that is hypocritical lip service!

It is fact that whipsaw between the two airlines owned by Skywest will not stop until you guys stop riding coat tails and unionize. But you want to keep using your straw man argument that you don't like ALPA.

Everything you just wrote is an absolute lie! Don't go ALPA! But the fact remains that your management will keep whipsawing you against XJT pilots. If you truly wanted to stop the whipsaw, at the very minimum, you guys would unionize.

But I'm sure all we will here are crickets or excuses or rationalization a or in your case, lies.

It's easy for you to say when it's your group that is being used against your sister airline in order to depress compensation, ie whipsaw. I work for the same CEO and BOD as you do.

JustAMushroom

I've read your post for some time now and they are consistently filled with emotional drivel disguised as circular logic at it best.

Assuming SkyWest was Alpa, nothing would preclude them (sw) from
acting in the exact same way. They could, and would, continue to seek the most cost effective business model. And when you got painted into another corner you'd have the exact same situation you're in now. You and your coworkers would be faced with ghe choice of adapting or going away. The fact that SkyWest pilots accept different circumstances than you would wish is none of your business. They have adapted into what they consider a reasonable balance between work rules, pay and growth.

Having a union, in this argument, would make zero difference except perhaps allowing you to feel better. And no one really care if you do.

Having said all that, there are many many positives to having a union. Your whipsaw argument isn't one if them.

Terantious

ALPA blows!!!

Nevets

Of course Skywest "management" would continue to act the same way! But I'm talking about the pilots! That is who would be unionized, not management.

Our CEO is whipsawing you against us. Only one way to stop that. That is to unionize and mandate one list. But it seems that most of you so far are happier riding the coat tails than actually doing anything to stop the whipsaw.

JustAMushroom

Gotcha. I missed the one list thing. Speaking only for myself, I suspect there is a 50/50 chance SAPA would ever official recognized as a union. There is probably a 25% chance (at best) ALPA could make it on property. When it was just ASA, I speculate there was a better than 50/50 chance at one list. But all the mgmt would have to say would be "there would be a forced SW/XJ/ASA integration" and SkyWest pilots would put their pens down and take their chances. It seems the longer you guys take to turn a profit, (for the dozens of reasons both mgmt and pilot induced..relax) the more it solidifies the belief the two pilot cultures are very different. And the more resistant SkyWest pilots are becoming.

I know you like the coat tails argument, and stick with it as long as it works for you. But I encourage you to try a different tact because yours gets zero traction. Unless you're not really interested in changing opinions and simply venting.

GATAM06

Didn't L-ExpressJet have a provision in their contract that stipulated if purchased ALL pilots must be merged into one list? What ever happened with that? Seems you guys had a chance to stop this but folded. Now you keep insisting we fix your problem.

wmupilot85

I only wear it because it was free and it stretches.