Skywest Pilot Arrested In Calgary
04-04-2014, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Sniper
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Good on alpa for lobbying for this.
But the program is executed by government employees and paid for by tax dollars, so everyone gets access.
KCM is a subscription based-service. There is a fee per pilot, and thousands of ALPA pilots' union dues paid for the start-up costs. It aint' free (or 100% taxpayer funded), and not everyone gets access to it.
Just b/c your airline pays to keep you in it, buying you off in order to keep a union off your property, doesn't excuse your comments.
KCM was brought to you by ALPA and A4A (it says "Sponsored by ALPA and Airlines for America" right on the KCM website instead of 'a product of the TSA, available too all, and pushed through by Skywest, Virgin America, JetBlue and the AFA' for a reason). If you aren't associated with one, or both, of these programs, you're a free-loading leech. But, if you're non-union, that is a position you should be familiar with by now.
Originally Posted by rickair7777
Good on alpa for lobbying for this.
But the program is executed by government employees and paid for by tax dollars, so everyone gets access.
KCM is a subscription based-service. There is a fee per pilot, and thousands of ALPA pilots' union dues paid for the start-up costs. It aint' free (or 100% taxpayer funded), and not everyone gets access to it.
Just b/c your airline pays to keep you in it, buying you off in order to keep a union off your property, doesn't excuse your comments.
KCM was brought to you by ALPA and A4A (it says "Sponsored by ALPA and Airlines for America" right on the KCM website instead of 'a product of the TSA, available too all, and pushed through by Skywest, Virgin America, JetBlue and the AFA' for a reason). If you aren't associated with one, or both, of these programs, you're a free-loading leech. But, if you're non-union, that is a position you should be familiar with by now.
Originally Posted by PerpetualFlyer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sniper
KCM is a subscription based-service. There is a fee per pilot, and thousands of ALPA pilots' union dues paid for the start-up costs. It aint' free, and not everyone gets access to it.
Just b/c your airline pays to keep you in it, buying you off in order to keep a union off your property, doesn't excuse your comments.
KCM was brought to you by ALPA and A4A (it says "Sponsored by ALPA and Airlines for America" right on the KCM website instead of 'a product of the TSA, available too all, and pushed through by Skywest, Virgin America, JetBlue and the AFA' for a reason). If you aren't associated with one, or both, of these programs, you're a free-loading leech. But, if you're non-union, that is a position you should be familiar with by now.
A free loading leech that gets to keep an extra 2% of their paycheck! Thanks for KCM, ALPA! I used it this morning!
Originally Posted by Sniper
KCM is a subscription based-service. There is a fee per pilot, and thousands of ALPA pilots' union dues paid for the start-up costs. It aint' free, and not everyone gets access to it.
Just b/c your airline pays to keep you in it, buying you off in order to keep a union off your property, doesn't excuse your comments.
KCM was brought to you by ALPA and A4A (it says "Sponsored by ALPA and Airlines for America" right on the KCM website instead of 'a product of the TSA, available too all, and pushed through by Skywest, Virgin America, JetBlue and the AFA' for a reason). If you aren't associated with one, or both, of these programs, you're a free-loading leech. But, if you're non-union, that is a position you should be familiar with by now.
A free loading leech that gets to keep an extra 2% of their paycheck! Thanks for KCM, ALPA! I used it this morning!
By the way, it's 1.9% at ALPA. Also, at other unions it's less than that. And it is tax deductible.
Originally Posted by DD214
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Originally Posted by Nevets
The point being that ALPA pilots paid to get this program approved by the TSA.
Work together? Join the party! Until you have an NMB recognized bargaining agent, you can't work together with the rest of us.
Even the flight attendants' union helped push this program through. What's your point?
Like the last pay proposal you guys voted in?
We are as strong as the weakest link. There is one pilot group who refuse to engage. Until then, there won't be unity.
Dude We get it you hate Skywest! Nothing new here.
Originally Posted by Nevets
The point being that ALPA pilots paid to get this program approved by the TSA.
Work together? Join the party! Until you have an NMB recognized bargaining agent, you can't work together with the rest of us.
Even the flight attendants' union helped push this program through. What's your point?
Like the last pay proposal you guys voted in?
We are as strong as the weakest link. There is one pilot group who refuse to engage. Until then, there won't be unity.
Dude We get it you hate Skywest! Nothing new here.
Originally Posted by SKYWCRJCA
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Originally Posted by Sniper
KCM is a subscription based-service. There is a fee per pilot, and thousands of ALPA pilots' union dues paid for the start-up costs. It aint' free (or 100% taxpayer funded), and not everyone gets access to it.
Just b/c your airline pays to keep you in it, buying you off in order to keep a union off your property, doesn't excuse your comments.
KCM was brought to you by ALPA and A4A (it says "Sponsored by ALPA and Airlines for America" right on the KCM website instead of 'a product of the TSA, available too all, and pushed through by Skywest, Virgin America, JetBlue and the AFA' for a reason). If you aren't associated with one, or both, of these programs, you're a free-loading leech. But, if you're non-union, that is a position you should be familiar with by now.
Your tax $ keeps that TSA smurf standing there to administer the check point. Without tax $ proping the program up the fee alone would not keep the program running. All you ALPA ZEALOTS !!!!PLEASE!!! by all means put your money where your mouth is and start a petition to kick out non union carriers from KCM! Guess what IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. All you guys do is vent hot air from an empty head.
Originally Posted by Sniper
KCM is a subscription based-service. There is a fee per pilot, and thousands of ALPA pilots' union dues paid for the start-up costs. It aint' free (or 100% taxpayer funded), and not everyone gets access to it.
Just b/c your airline pays to keep you in it, buying you off in order to keep a union off your property, doesn't excuse your comments.
KCM was brought to you by ALPA and A4A (it says "Sponsored by ALPA and Airlines for America" right on the KCM website instead of 'a product of the TSA, available too all, and pushed through by Skywest, Virgin America, JetBlue and the AFA' for a reason). If you aren't associated with one, or both, of these programs, you're a free-loading leech. But, if you're non-union, that is a position you should be familiar with by now.
Your tax $ keeps that TSA smurf standing there to administer the check point. Without tax $ proping the program up the fee alone would not keep the program running. All you ALPA ZEALOTS !!!!PLEASE!!! by all means put your money where your mouth is and start a petition to kick out non union carriers from KCM! Guess what IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. All you guys do is vent hot air from an empty head.
04-04-2014, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer
Do you check every pocket of every bag you carry before, during and after a trip?
Didn't think so.
Didn't think so.
04-04-2014, 07:22 AM
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Hopefully you guys bashing ANY airline that isn't ALPA for using the KCM realizes each airline uses KCM on a subscription basis...meaning they pay into the system for their crews.
Take a look at the long list of airlines approved for the program on the KCM website and you will see several that are not ALPA. And even more are coming now that 135 operators are approved for the program.
Take a look at the long list of airlines approved for the program on the KCM website and you will see several that are not ALPA. And even more are coming now that 135 operators are approved for the program.
04-04-2014, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Sniper
KCM is a subscription based-service. There is a fee per pilot, and thousands of ALPA pilots' union dues paid for the start-up costs. It aint' free (or 100% taxpayer funded), and not everyone gets access to it.
Just b/c your airline pays to keep you in it, buying you off in order to keep a union off your property, doesn't excuse your comments.
KCM was brought to you by ALPA and A4A (it says "Sponsored by ALPA and Airlines for America" right on the KCM website instead of 'a product of the TSA, available too all, and pushed through by Skywest, Virgin America, JetBlue and the AFA' for a reason). If you aren't associated with one, or both, of these programs, you're a free-loading leech. But, if you're non-union, that is a position you should be familiar with by now.
Just b/c your airline pays to keep you in it, buying you off in order to keep a union off your property, doesn't excuse your comments.
KCM was brought to you by ALPA and A4A (it says "Sponsored by ALPA and Airlines for America" right on the KCM website instead of 'a product of the TSA, available too all, and pushed through by Skywest, Virgin America, JetBlue and the AFA' for a reason). If you aren't associated with one, or both, of these programs, you're a free-loading leech. But, if you're non-union, that is a position you should be familiar with by now.
Yep.................
04-04-2014, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
A gun is a bulky heavy item that simply isn't overlooked. Overlooking it in SLC would have been his mulligan but over the course of a trip I say BS. And yes, I pretty much always know what is in every pocket of my bags and they have a different look and feel if there is something heavy and bulky in a flap that isn't normally there.
So you are now telling me that you can tell when a gun that is less than the size of a hand and less than a pound is at in your bag because it will give off a different look and feel different when carrying/rolling your bag? Seriously?
04-04-2014, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer
Hopefully you guys bashing ANY airline that isn't ALPA for using the KCM realizes each airline uses KCM on a subscription basis...meaning they pay into the system for their crews.
Take a look at the long list of airlines approved for the program on the KCM website and you will see several that are not ALPA. And even more are coming now that 135 operators are approved for the program.
Take a look at the long list of airlines approved for the program on the KCM website and you will see several that are not ALPA. And even more are coming now that 135 operators are approved for the program.
04-04-2014, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Go back and reread some of the posts above. It's been explained already. The kcm idea and program was lobbied by (mostly) ALPA and other unions. ALPA was the push to have the predecessor, CREWPASS, initiated and also paid for the hardware to run that program. Once the trial system was over, ALPA and the TSA came up with kcm but needed a way to fund it. That is where individual airlines come into play. But if it wasn't for ALPA, there wouldn't be a program for your airline to pay in order for us to bypass security.
04-04-2014, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Go back and reread some of the posts above. It's been explained already. The kcm idea and program was lobbied by (mostly) ALPA and other unions. ALPA was the push to have the predecessor, CREWPASS, initiated and also paid for the hardware to run that program. Once the trial system was over, ALPA and the TSA came up with kcm but needed a way to fund it. That is where individual airlines come into play. But if it wasn't for ALPA, there wouldn't be a program for your airline to pay in order for us to bypass security.
So does that make me a free loading leech or any of the other great comments my fellow professionals have made here?
What about this guy? I haven't seen his name and don't know his history. Is it possible he could be a furloughed guy from an ALPA carrier or a Comair guy that went to Skywest. Plenty of Comair guys went to other regionals, I know several that went to ASA/XJT.
04-04-2014, 07:57 AM
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Let's not forget for those of you that are harping on JB, VX, SKW and whoever else are non union/non ALPA. Most of us have at one point or another paid dues to ALPA. I've personally been an ALPA member for 3 previous airlines before joining VX.
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