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IFLYPLANEZBRO 10-21-2015 04:35 AM

Skywest gets 19 more 175s from delta
 
http://www.streetinsider.com/dr/news.php?id=10988921

This is definitely gonna switch things up on the senority list.

ConfigFlaps 10-21-2015 04:40 AM

wonder where they'll go...

Squallrider 10-21-2015 04:42 AM

Lax and SEA I bet.

Skyfox 10-21-2015 04:42 AM

LaGuardia? ;-)

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Squallrider 10-21-2015 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by Skyfox (Post 1996763)
LaGuardia? ;-)

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DTW ? That would change the seniority lol

amcnd 10-21-2015 04:55 AM

Company memo says "current route structure". My guess is SEA/SLC only because they would overlap Alaska 175's MX bases.. Guess we know why they built a massive new hanger in BOI....

amcnd 10-21-2015 04:56 AM

Watch out SLC. Could go from 15 years+ to hold Captain there, to 2 years on the 175!!!

block30 10-21-2015 05:18 AM

So is Delta all scoped out on 76 seaters now?

IFLYPLANEZBRO 10-21-2015 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1996783)
So is Delta all scoped out on 76 seaters now?

Supposedly. But who knows I thought united was scoped out but then they gave 15 more to Mesa.

NVUS 10-21-2015 05:26 AM

SkyWest Airlines currently operates 19 CRJ700s for Delta, so I believe these are all just replacement aircraft. Currently all of those CRJ700s operate out of SEA and SLC.

amcnd 10-21-2015 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1996789)
SkyWest Airlines currently operates 19 CRJ700s for Delta, so I believe these are all just replacement aircraft. Currently all of those CRJ700s operate out of SEA and SLC.

Thought 70 vs 76 seat count at Delta was different.. Doubt there replacement..company memo usualy says if they are. Bet someone will ask next week on the invester call..

Systemized 10-21-2015 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1996783)
So is Delta all scoped out on 76 seaters now?

I think Delta scope has a hard limit of 450 RJs with 125 being 50 seaters. It would easy to find out if you tallied up all the larger RJs operated by DCI carriers. If the number is higher than 325 with the new skywest deliveries, than these E175s could possibly replace some CRJ 700/900s currently in operation.

I think American and United's scope is not just a hard number and more so based on a ratio of their mainline narrow body fleets. Delta Pilots have the best scope in my opinion because it's a hard number.

Cruz5350 10-21-2015 05:49 AM

This batch and the United from a bit back are most likely 700 replacements. Look at the contract expirations in 2016 on SWOL.

Systemized 10-21-2015 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1996804)
This batch and the United from a bit back are most likely 700 replacements. Look at the contract expirations in 2016 on SWOL.


I think Delta scope has room for ~10 large RJs.

NVUS 10-21-2015 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1996804)
This batch and the United from a bit back are most likely 700 replacements. Look at the contract expirations in 2016 on SWOL.

Only 4 come off contract in 2016, so maybe I stand corrected. But 19 for both is a weird coincidence.

amcnd 10-21-2015 06:23 AM

Will never know whats replacment or not. Just look at all the "USair" painted 200's/900's now in Delta paint this month. Fact is SkyWest is hiring 100 pilots a month. And that alone should tell you its not all replacement.. I see why they keep saying upgrade will drop below 2 years...

IFLYPLANEZBRO 10-21-2015 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1996818)
Only 4 come off contract in 2016, so maybe I stand corrected. But 19 for both is a weird coincidence.

I think they are growth. Every other time we have received airframes that are replacing others they state that in the press release. I'd be willing to bet these are growth.

ClickClickBoom 10-21-2015 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by IFLYPLANEZBRO (Post 1996863)
I'd be willing to bet these are growth.

Scope is a global thing, take from one add to another, my bet is another carrier is about to feel the pain.

skypilot35 10-21-2015 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 1996945)
Scope is a global thing, take from one add to another, my bet is another carrier is about to feel the pain.

I think you're exactly right.

amcnd 10-21-2015 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1996789)
SkyWest Airlines currently operates 19 CRJ700s for Delta, so I believe these are all just replacement aircraft. Currently all of those CRJ700s operate out of SEA and SLC.

Doubtfull. JAC, SUN, LGB, ASE are a few reasons they won't replace the 700's...

NVUS 10-21-2015 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by skypilot35 (Post 1996951)
I think you're exactly right.

Then it would be GoJet or ExpressJet...

NVUS 10-21-2015 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 1996954)
Doubtfull. JAC, SUN, LGB, ASE are a few reasons they won't replace the 700's...

The 175 is also a Category C/D aircraft. It can operate out of all of those airports. The weight restrictions would be worse, but it could be done.

amcnd 10-21-2015 08:42 AM

Also they sent a memo out about the Delta 700's getting a new LAV and one more row of seats... Its not a mater of being Category C that gets it into those airports. Ins a combination of performance and weight.

WaterRooster 10-21-2015 08:43 AM

Wonder if the 175 will get system wide flight bennies or they will go the Alaska route and just give it to those bases

jar5086 10-21-2015 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1996955)
Then it would be GoJet or ExpressJet...

Maybe Republic? DL is in the middle of suing them right now after all for not flying their schedule as contractually promised.

F2m185 10-21-2015 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by jar5086 (Post 1996977)
Maybe Republic? DL is in the middle of suing them right now after all for not flying their schedule as contractually promised.

thought they had 30 76 seat frames left under their scope? why would they need to take flying from anyone?

saxman66 10-21-2015 09:17 AM

I thought they would be replacements too for -700 but then I thought about the niche markets the 700 can do that the 900/175 can't or is too big for. I don't fly the 175, but always thought it didn't have the performance the 700 does for ASE and SUN. It could always be for less 200's too or some combination. Or whats the probability of Gojet or Express getting certified for ASE?

GreatBigSea 10-21-2015 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by F2m185 (Post 1996980)
thought they had 30 76 seat frames left under their scope? why would they need to take flying from anyone?

There's a trigger in the 50 seat reduction plan that says in order to add 71-76 seat aircraft, scope requires a reduction *insert number here* of 50 seat aircraft. So based on how many 71-76 seaters are on property dictates how many 50's Delta can fly.

I haven't had my coffee yet so someone else can dig in and figure out actual numbers (and if adding 19 even triggers a new reduction).

I don't know how accurate this site's info is, FYI.

Bozo 10-21-2015 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by jar5086 (Post 1996977)
Maybe Republic? DL is in the middle of suing them right now after all for not flying their schedule as contractually promised.

DING DING

History will repeat itself. Remember how Freedom was removed. There will be another shoe to drop shortly IMO.

Rama04 10-21-2015 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by F2m185 (Post 1996980)
thought they had 30 76 seat frames left under their scope? why would they need to take flying from anyone?

They did. GoJet got 7 CRJ-900 aircraft earlier this year. This is 19 more "large RJs" for a total of 26. There are 4 frames left. There is a ratio of Mainline Aircraft to Regional Aircraft that Delta has to honor as per their CBA with their pilots - its 1.25:1. This means Delta has to take delivery of 5 more mainline narrow-body aircraft to operate the last 4 RJs.

I do not think that these have anything to do with the RP law suit. I am more interested in where these birds are going to be based... CP just opened SEA on the 175.

Five93H 10-21-2015 10:22 AM

Does DL still have -900 options from their order of 40 for 9E back in 2012?
Thought it was 40 orders and 30 options.

dfwflyboy 10-21-2015 10:25 AM

They will replace the 19 700s. Those will go to ASA and operate out of east coast to replace 200s

NVUS 10-21-2015 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Rama04 (Post 1997053)
They did. GoJet got 7 CRJ-900 aircraft earlier this year. This is 19 more "large RJs" for a total of 26. There are 4 frames left. There is a ratio of Mainline Aircraft to Regional Aircraft that Delta has to honor as per their CBA with their pilots - its 1.25:1. This means Delta has to take delivery of 5 more mainline narrow-body aircraft to operate the last 4 RJs.

I do not think that these have anything to do with the RP law suit. I am more interested in where these birds are going to be based... CP just opened SEA on the 175.

Does that count the four 900s that SkyWest just converted from US Airways to Delta?

Gjn290 10-21-2015 10:28 AM

Will SkyWest own these birds?

F2m185 10-21-2015 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by Rama04 (Post 1997053)
They did. GoJet got 7 CRJ-900 aircraft earlier this year. This is 19 more "large RJs" for a total of 26. There are 4 frames left. There is a ratio of Mainline Aircraft to Regional Aircraft that Delta has to honor as per their CBA with their pilots - its 1.25:1. This means Delta has to take delivery of 5 more mainline narrow-body aircraft to operate the last 4 RJs.

I do not think that these have anything to do with the RP law suit. I am more interested in where these birds are going to be based... CP just opened SEA on the 175.

interesting. thanks for the info.

sqwkvfr 10-21-2015 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Systemized (Post 1996810)
I think Delta scope has room for ~10 large RJs.

..and Republic's deal to put nine more 170s into service for Delta is likely in serious trouble...so there's one way of arriving at 19.

saxman66 10-21-2015 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Gjn290 (Post 1997064)
Will SkyWest own these birds?

Yes. Skywest has 200 or so 175's on order, based on getting contracts to fly them.

Pilots are always talking about opening up DTW. I'm not sure how it would be staffed without shrinking MSP by quite a bit. It'd be a shame too, since Compass just closed it's DTW domicile causing lots of it's pilots to commute to the West Coast. Meanwhile Skywest guys commute to the east. But, having Compass back in DTW and Skw continue to operate out west, would make too much sense to Delta. Gotta keep us regionals in check by constantly moving the flying around.

Rama04 10-21-2015 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1997062)
Does that count the four 900s that SkyWest just converted from US Airways to Delta?

That 4 would make 30.
4 used CRJ-900s SKY
+ 7 used CRJ-900s GJT
+19 new E175s SKY
=30 remaining large RJs in Delta's Scope

As for these being "replacement" aircraft: they may be trading out one fleet at SKY for another at ASA but, these are additional aircraft when considering the size of the DCI fleet (regardless who operates them)


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