Trying to be clever about a subject you aren't familiar with? Not surprising on this message board. Please share your wealth of knowledge with us all, why did you fix what you did?

 

It is very suspicious to take a recommendation to a place over a another that pays close to $50,000 more over the first 3 years.

Endeavor has hundreds that have already passed the interview. Those pilots basically have flow rights.

 

You didn't raise your pay scales. You added a bonus with an expiration date. What happens when that expiration date comes? You lose the bonus or have to renegotiate to get money you were already making back.

 

No. They have conditional job offers. Look up the word "conditional" at Dictionary.com | Find the Meanings and Definitions of Words at Dictionary.com

 

Correct, there was not a massive pay scale change at all. Bonuses were added and bonuses expire and can be canceled.

 

If first year pay is the most important thing to you then Endeavor would be your place to hang out. Otherwise, chose carefully and don't base your decision off what some people say on this ridiculous website.

 

My compliments, sir. I have lurked and been reading around here quite a bit and your posts are consistently honest, genuine, and without agenda or rancor. I very much appreciate them and you.

What you say is entirely logical and the math cannot be refuted. The extra $60K between now and the end of 2018 is very significant indeed. Especially were the economy/markets to take a hit between now and then, making up for (or at least mitigating) any losses in a 401K. It's is essentially getting paid for 4 years while only working 3.

Also, regardless of what happens after the expiration of the bonus at the end of 2018, one is still $50-$60k to the better no matter what happens after that. For the new-hire for whom all else is essentially equal, this is a no-brainer.

 

Back to the topic.. The odds of SKW increasing it are good. They have 36 new E175's being delivered in 2016. That will add a need for a lot of training... So i would say yes. Really good chance!

 

I fly for OO and have a very good buddy at CZ. Nobody at either carrier is concerned that their upgrade/seniority progression will be affected by lack of new hires. Yet.

That could certainly happen at some point in the future, but probably only after the majors start hiring 1500 hour pilots wholesale. But I suspect the majors, knowing that doing so would kill the regionals, would just do a transition program to wind down the regionals and transfer most regional pilots to mainline.

A $22K bonus could mean a lot to somebody who's in debt and doesn't want to torpedo his major airline prospects by filing BK. Or a guy with three kids and a stay-at-home wife.

But for many folks $22K is not worth living in or commuting to a crappy base, or working for a POS company. Especially since it's a discretionary BONUS, and is not guaranteed to be in the pay scale forever. $22K will not pay for your divorce either.

It's no longer 1988...$22K is just beer money. Some people need beer money, some don't.

But there's no need to argue over it, those who actually need the money know who they are.

 

There are hundreds of great pilots that have been shot down too. There are just as many downs as there are ups to that place.