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Old 10-30-2017 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by hoover
Didn't SW offer to rebuild the St. Louis airport? I thought they pledged a billion to rebuild it but the people voted it down and now it's up for vote again. May have been MCI tho
No for STL. Yes for MCI. The voters of Kansas City, Missouri will vote Tuesday November 7, 2017 whether to build a new terminal at MCI or not. No cost to the taxpayer, the airlines have agreed to pay for all of it. Southwest is the largest airline there, but all the airlines will be paying their share.

I hope it passes.

There is some concern by the voters as to how the contract to build it was awarded. Also, a lot of people like the 75 steps from curb to plane. But there are a lot of advantages to a new terminal. Steps will be more than 75, but will be outweighed by the advantages. Of course, some will never understand no taxes. They still think it will cost them something even if they never fly.
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Old 10-30-2017 | 07:20 PM
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Also, a lot of people like the 75 steps from curb to plane.
I like the idea of it, but the little bit of practicality it had died with the addition of security screening. Making a connection at MCI used to be absolute nightmare before they added the connector hallways on the outside of the ring, as you'd often have to re-clear security to make your connection. The 2004 renovations definitely helped, but it's still a cramped, impractical gate area, with few amenities or vendors behind security. It's time to start fresh.
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Old 10-31-2017 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
STL’s biggest problem is infrastructure. The terminal isn’t as bad as, say MCI for example. But it’s severely lacking reasonable dining. It has completely inadequate number of restrooms given the number of passengers that pass through. Maybe if AA closes we can move into their gates.


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What does food have to do with anything? Remember MCO up until a year or so ago or MDW now. I also have never had to wait to go to the bathroom.


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Old 10-31-2017 | 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CA1900
I like the idea of it, but the little bit of practicality it had died with the addition of security screening. Making a connection at MCI used to be absolute nightmare before they added the connector hallways on the outside of the ring, as you'd often have to re-clear security to make your connection. The 2004 renovations definitely helped, but it's still a cramped, impractical gate area, with few amenities or vendors behind security. It's time to start fresh.
I agree! When it was built, it was before the days of any screening. It was built with no connecting flights in mind, even though half the people were connecting on Braniff.

And, then a few months after it opened there had been so many hijackings to Havana that the FAA introduced the first screening. And they have lived with impracticality for 40 years.

Unlike DFW, the rings are not wide enough to have hallways and vendors inside screening. So, they cannot retrofit it into being practical.
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Old 10-31-2017 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
STL’s biggest problem is infrastructure. The terminal isn’t as bad as, say MCI for example. But it’s severely lacking reasonable dining. It has completely inadequate number of restrooms given the number of passengers that pass through. Maybe if AA closes we can move into their gates.


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They are in the process of adding more amenities. They are adding a Wing Tips lounge across from E29-33, another Starbucks by E29, and a local concept restaurant by E33. They just doubled the size of the Vino Volo. I think they have a few other things planned. I think Southwest just added gates a little quicker than they anticipated so they are still catching up with the amenities to go with it. There is a fairly large area between E33 and E34 where dining could be added. I would hope they would do something with that in the near future.
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Old 10-31-2017 | 08:49 AM
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AA’s number of departures may not drop but seats are. I commuted 10 years ago and it was a different animal. Even over the last few years American has downgraded aircraft to RJs and United has been up and down but currently has a mix of 70 and 50 seat with a mainline for the west coast. Delta is mainline and 76+ seat RJs so they still compete.

SWA is in a great position to continue to build and continue to take from the other legacies. I’d love to see a SWA domicile anywhere in the Midwest to help the seniority list movement.
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Old 10-31-2017 | 09:16 AM
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I predict that STL will be the next domicile. WN will continue to expand down Concourse D now (E) and STL will become for WN what AA claimed they wanted it to be for them when they acquired TW. A geographically optimal reliever hub for Chicago. This Airport is perfectly set up to be an East/West flow connecting hub. I'm actually surprised that UA or DL didn't jump on this former hub when AA made the decision to de hub it in 2003. Luckily for WN, they now are the size to do pretty much whatever they want to do there without being challenged by the big 3.
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Old 10-31-2017 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Salukidawg
I predict that STL will be the next domicile. WN will continue to expand down Concourse D now (E) and STL will become for WN what AA claimed they wanted it to be for them when they acquired TW. A geographically optimal reliever hub for Chicago. This Airport is perfectly set up to be an East/West flow connecting hub. I'm actually surprised that UA or DL didn't jump on this former hub when AA made the decision to de hub it in 2003. Luckily for WN, they now are the size to do pretty much whatever they want to do there without being challenged by the big 3.
It makes perfect sense, so SWA will never do it. Besides, you used the word hub. Now they really won’t do it.
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Old 10-31-2017 | 01:25 PM
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If STL beomes a base, would a new hire be able to get it?
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Old 10-31-2017 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by happygilmore
If STL beomes a base, would a new hire be able to get it?


There would be a system wide vacancy bid. New bases typically go junior unless there is something peculiar about them that would make them senior ie Atlanta.
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