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Ivana Humpalot 03-16-2018 01:44 PM

I don't understand
 
I'm not trying to start something but what's the difference between the kid with 1,700TT and the military jet jockey with 1,700TT over the last 20 years?

ZapBrannigan 03-16-2018 02:04 PM

Looking to the Future
 

Originally Posted by Ivana Humpalot (Post 2552243)
I'm not trying to start something but what's the difference between the kid with 1,700TT and the military jet jockey with 1,700TT over the last 20 years?

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slimothy 03-16-2018 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Ivana Humpalot (Post 2552243)
I'm not trying to start something but what's the difference between the kid with 1,700TT and the military jet jockey with 1,700TT over the last 20 years?

The dynamics and workload associated with the types of flying. The maturity level and cognitive function required to lead multiple aircraft into a combat situation, and deploying ordinance in close proximity to friendly forces demonstrates a higher level of proficiency than does landing a twin Cessna on a 8,000 Ft runway.

PS, I’m not a mil jet guy, I’m a former RW guy who has 1200 hours of flight time that most majors don’t even consider actual flight time.

slimothy 03-16-2018 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 2552252)


Lol

Filler

TransWorld 03-16-2018 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by slimothy (Post 2552256)
The dynamics and workload associated with the types of flying. The maturity level and cognitive function required to lead multiple aircraft into a combat situation, and deploying ordinance in close proximity to friendly forces demonstrates a higher level of proficiency than does landing a twin Cessna on a 8,000 Ft runway.

PS, I’m not a mil jet guy, I’m a former RW guy who has 1200 hours of flight time that most majors don’t even consider actual flight time.

Let’s see. Cessna on an 8,000 ft runway.

Being shot at. Then flying a jet and landing on a carrier. Having to catch a cable with a tail hook or go swimming.

Yeah, there is a bit of difference.

Warhawg01 03-16-2018 02:37 PM

Because there is more airmanship in any one of the fighter guy’s hours than any 100 of the other guys.

Paging Wackmaster and his “but, but... we land at busy airports and stuff...”

To which any fighter dude that has flown in an LFE launch and recovery (which is almost all of them) just chuckles and says “that’s cute.”

ZapBrannigan 03-16-2018 03:34 PM

Well... at least we all know what you Mil guys think of us now. [emoji52]


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slimothy 03-16-2018 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 2552319)
Well... at least we all know what you Mil guys think of us now. [emoji52]


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I don’t think I said anything disparaging about pure CIV flying, but you can hardly compare 1700 hours of flight instruction (I’d say typically almost all piston) to 1700 of F-whatever time. If somebody wants to do the math, subtract 150kts from the speed of sound, and there’s the big difference. And again, I’ve never flown any military jets, so I’m not bragging up my own experience here.

RJSAviator76 03-16-2018 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by Warhawg01 (Post 2552272)
Because there is more airmanship in any one of the fighter guy’s hours than any 100 of the other guys.

How does anything that a Weapons School grad F-teener does translate into 121 ops? Sorry bud, but quite a few F-teeners don't know sh!t from shinola in 121 ops and generally tend to have a much more difficult time transitioning than regional or even corporate guys, and yet everyone puts up with it. Sorry dude, no LFE launches, no ingress or egress routes here, no JTAC's, no SAM threats (usually), SEAD isn't necessary (unless maybe if landing on the south side at LAX), and the worst of it... we don't do 3-hour preflight briefs.


To which any fighter dude that has flown in an LFE launch and recovery (which is almost all of them) just chuckles and says “that’s cute.”
And that same dude is 'blind' before even pushing back here.

Congrats on getting off probation Warhawg, but humility goes a long way.

GatorHog 03-16-2018 05:10 PM

Well this thread went to sh!t in a hurry. This has been debated ad nauseum in 50 different places on APC. Move on.


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