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btodd77 04-10-2018 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by flysocal77 (Post 2568955)
No, if it’s involuntary there is no base lock. 6 months if you volunteer so be careful not to volunteer.

Thank you.

Hawaii808 04-10-2018 10:28 AM

So would southwest be a good move for a pilot living in Hawaii? Could junior guys most likely get LAX and be doing the Hawaii trips?

EDIT: Asking for a friend.....

PowerShift 04-10-2018 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Hawaii808 (Post 2569144)
So would southwest be a good move for a pilot living in Hawaii? Could junior guys most likely get LAX and be doing the Hawaii trips?

EDIT: Asking for a friend.....

No guarantee that LAX will go junior, but the tea leaves point that way. He would have to commute to LAX, as no Hawaii base has even been speculated. Just my guess, 5 yrs from now, if we are successful in that market, there will be a base there. Doing things from LAX is not efficient, and this place is all about efficiency.

utahpilot 04-11-2018 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by PowerShift (Post 2569213)
Just my guess, 5 yrs from now, if we are successful in that market, there will be a base there. Doing things from LAX is not efficient, and this place is all about efficiency.

makes me wonder. A buddy at Alaska tells me that Hawaii is 40ish % of their business, and they don't have a base there

RJSAviator76 04-11-2018 04:28 PM

Alaska doesn't fly interisland. Supposedly, we're also gonna invade the interisland market. Who knows...

THEKERNALKLINK 04-11-2018 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by flensr (Post 2568517)
I saw some numbers in the magazine, somewhere around 100 CAs and 100 FOs currently live in SoCal area. I figure after that first 100, it'll be somewhat junior based on cost of living and the fact that LAX (and associated airports) isn't any easier of a commute than LAS and it's prohibitively expensive to move out there.

Early "best guess" I've heard tossed around by people who have been here a while is it'll go junior by mid-2019.

But that's still just a guess.

I have a very decent home there that I love.... I do not want to be slapped with a 13.9% state income tax. IT WON'T HAPPEN!

THEKERNALKLINK 04-11-2018 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by barabek (Post 2568560)
I don't think it's gonna go senior at all. I talked to some SoCal locals and they don't get excited to bid LAX at all. There are multiple reason, but one uniform complaint is traffic. If you live in Ontario or closer to SAN for example, it's faster to fly to LAS that fight the traffic to LAX. Also the whole ETOPS thing, extra training every year, reduced flexibility of schedule in a small base, base lock, etc. On top of that, I heard there are some people that own a place in LAS just to pay Nevada taxes while living in SoCal. Those will continue commuting. I predict a lot of new hires and junior captains going there against their will. It's just a subjective prediction of a guy who has been wrong many times before.

If your base of operations is out of a State, YOU PAY TAXES TO THE STATE THAT BASE IS IN.... I was ****ed when IL hiked up their rate, but it's still close to 1/3 of what CA is.

I mean we would all be claiming TX or NV residency if we could get away with it, but it's illegal!

PowerShift 04-11-2018 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by THEKERNALKLINK (Post 2570250)
If your base of operations is out of a State, YOU PAY TAXES TO THE STATE THAT BASE IS IN.... I was ****ed when IL hiked up their rate, but it's still close to 1/3 of what CA is.

I mean we would all be claiming TX or NV residency if we could get away with it, but it's illegal!

That can be state dependent. I’m taxed based on the state I live in, and claim residency in. Not the state in which my base resides.

The IRS and local state tax agencies are on to the “scam” of claiming residence in one state and living in another. There is a classic court case involving a NWA pilot, claiming FL residence and living in MN. It’s an interesting read on how the judge determined residency.

C130driver 04-11-2018 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by THEKERNALKLINK (Post 2570250)
If your base of operations is out of a State, YOU PAY TAXES TO THE STATE THAT BASE IS IN.... I was ****ed when IL hiked up their rate, but it's still close to 1/3 of what CA is.

I mean we would all be claiming TX or NV residency if we could get away with it, but it's illegal!

Wait..so if you live in Texas and commute to United in SFO you pay Cali Taxes?!

THEKERNALKLINK 04-12-2018 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by PowerShift (Post 2570354)
That can be state dependent. I’m taxed based on the state I live in, and claim residency in. Not the state in which my base resides.

The IRS and local state tax agencies are on to the “scam” of claiming residence in one state and living in another. There is a classic court case involving a NWA pilot, claiming FL residence and living in MN. It’s an interesting read on how the judge determined residency.

I'm sure your accountant is doing you right. In my situation, I DO own a home in CA, as well as one in the Chicago burbs, and I would never keep my Chicago place now that my folks are gone. So I don't think their is any way to swing avoiding the 13.9% CA income tax rate.

Ahhh, if only her legs (MAX) were a little wee bit, tiny more long... we wouldn't be so tied to needing a CA base to serve Hawaii.


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