SWA hiring
 

Heyas, figured I would attempt to make the jump to the airlines. I noticed I just missed the app window at SWA. You guys think there will be another before the year is out? I would like to get my resume into that stack of billions already there.

I would ASSUME that they will open a window on the 16th to correspond with their career fair. They have done so in the past.

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I am prior military and with a regional 121 carrier, building time. Is there anyone on board with SW that wouldn't mind reviewing my resume to make sure the content and format are consistent with their likings. I hear too many different techniques that I am afraid I am gonna be outside looking in.

Thanks for your help.

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It’s worth paying a professional service to do that.

careertakeoff.com has resume and application review services, plus interview prep. Worth the money, no question about it.

Next window is June 18-28th.

Just as an fyi... I went in for my 9 month board and happen to ask the chief about hiring. He mentioned August would be the last month of hiring for the year as we have the quota. Just what he mentioned....

Kap

Do you mean no more interviews after August or no more classes? Either way I would take that with a huge grain of salt. The latest hiring numbers were just updated on Jun 12th. 756 new hires approved for the year.

Number of classes planned each month (26 per class)
July 3
August 2
September 2
October 3
November 2
December 1

Again not doubting that is what he told you just not sure it is real accurate.

I was told in my leadership training recently that the number of newhires had been increased this year from the original number, and there would be 3 more classes added. Classes would run through Dec.

I have always been told that there is no quota for the current year, but they can’t hire for they next year until the budget for that year is approved.

They’re nuts then. We have never been more over staffed than we are right now. At the height of the Summer flying schedule and there is barely any open time in either seat, let alone premium. Hiring that many going into the Fall and Winter will be ugly not just for those of us already on property, but for new hires as well. I like to see new hires just like everyone else, but only when they are actually warranted.

Why do you think they aren’t warranted? We tend to view things through a straw...

We're gonna be just like a real airline now. You'll fly your awarded line value and like it. Unfortunately the B-scale for FOs with less than 5 years on property will continue.

Are they still touting to new hires that SWA has never furloughed?

Isnt hiring something you have to lead by a long time for any growth to happen? They have to over staff in the short term, so longer term growth doesn’t leave airplanes sitting. Hire a bunch of newbies, get the ETOPS training going, then ramp up the captain upgrades, then add more airplanes, routes, redeyes. Seems like a planning process to me, and a stack of new FOs is the cheapest and longest lead time part of the puzzle.

From what i gather, open time has dried up in the right seat but the bulge has yet to work its way through the snake to the left seat. Once that happens wait for the fireworks. Not a problem until it affects captains.

I’m a Captain and it has worked it’s way to the left seat as well. We are over staffed in both seats. That’s what I’m trying to say. This hiring is nothing more than changing Pilot behavior WRT the open time flying system. For every premium trip awarded there are at least three trips awarded at straight time in every base and every seat. We may be hiring for future grow, but there has been a fundamental change in manning that we’ve never had before. We are staffing a LCC like a Legacy carrier with one fleet type. That was never the business model WN was based on, and it devalues every Pilot’s earning potential both on property and future new hires as well.

I highly doubt we are changing our staffing principle. There will be roughly 50 more planes on property by the end of the year, Hawaii will require additional pilots/equipment. Has anyone been to the new training center? They didn’t spend that money to be over staffed. As pilots it’s always “me me me!!!” Take a step back, realize the airline isn’t here for you; you’re here for them and see what happens.

Look at the monthly open time for July! Nothing but some open reserve. Dry dry dry. :confused:

ELITT is gonna be fun next month...

No one will bother. No need!

What, nobody wants to TTGA my 18 TFP reserve block for their 31 credit 4-day?

ANG I think the lightbulb will illuminate for you and others that think the manning is a non issue, when you're unable to do anything with your sked but fly your awarded line, because everything will be locked up so tight.

I agree once it grinds the CA side of things to a halt it'll suddenly be an issue everyone cares about.

Until then Flag Ties & Muffins for the win.

This is a rather ignorant post. Re-read the post; as someone else posted “you’re really looking at things through a straw”

Well through my straw, I’m looking at being down over 20K from this time last year and I live in base. I’m not looking at it through just my straw, I’m seeing this system wide in both seats. I know, I know, stop being so selfish and greedy. Let’s just continue to hire till we furlough like our competitors over the years.

There is probably a happy medium somewhere. I wouldn’t panic yet. I don’t mind one bit them getting ahead on staffing. It was just two summers ago the reroutes, extensions and JA’s were out of control. They have already made it clear that reserve coverage was headed to 15%. With Etops training, LAX opening, increased vacation weeks and another 30 airframes coming this year maybe they are just planning ahead. Every other airline group on this board is complaining how the company dropped the ball and they are short staffed. You are correct though that if guys could only fly their line it would be a huge quality of life hit. The ability to trade with Elitt and change your line is priceless. There are plenty of trips in TTGA but no one wants to fly at straight time. I agree. If I fly extra I want it at premium. On the other end though there are many pilots in both seats that clear their schedules and are not flying anything that isn’t premium. Anything less than 200 TFP in the summer months and they can’t survive. We created it and to have that ability is awesome but to depend on it is just not realistic.

Like I said I get both sides of the issue but before we say this is how it is going to be maybe just let it play out a bit more. I’ve only been here 10 years but the staffing in those 10 years has been all over the place.

The only part of rapid expansion that cannot be hidden is pilot staffing and training capacity. I truly do not believe Southwest is changing their unrelying pilot staffing model but rather preparing for an expansion which cannot be announced until the staffing and staffing support is in place. It is FAR cheaper for them to pay premium time than to have additional pilots on property. The next couple years will tell the tale.

This! In the meantime, those that have been enjoying their large servings of cake will just have to make do with a little less. And even that isn't a certainty...summer is still young!

Speaking of LAX... will that just be on the September bid? So it’ll come out sometime in July?


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Summer doesn’t even start until tomorrow!

Already employed. Curious where I can find out what most junior FO is seniority wise currently in MDW. Heard it’s on SWAPA?

Employed at SWA? It’s in CWA under the reports tab.

New Vacancy just released for August. 86 First Officers. 0 Captain Upgrades. That tells me that things are about to come to a grinding halt soon. The 86 First Officers are for those already in training that will need a domicile position when they finish training. With no upgrades on the horizon, it would appear that hiring may slow significantly for the remainder of the year.

Dear lord baby Jesus.
You guys freak out like my kids when I take their phones away.
As mentioned above, pilot hiring is a long lead time growth indicator. Gary Kelly is the cheapest MFer on the planet and he is not hiring pilots to keep from paying time and a half 6 months of the year or JA pay for a handful of weeks. That is pennies compared to putting new pilots and their families health insurance on the payroll 12 months a year.
Step back from the mirror for a minute and consider that maybe, just maybe, the airline knows what they are doing and that the staffing model that has served us well over 4 decades will continue once airframes and routes catch up.
In the meantime, this too shall pass. I agree we are overmanned right now, especially on the FO side, but it won’t last forever.
I am a big open time guy, so I am feeling your pain. I just don’t see a need to panic while this works it’s way out.

I moved up 13 numbers in PHX for July.

In schoolhouse. Upgrades slowing for etops. July is one class for new hires, picks up in August, still about 250-300 new hires to come this year.

I would just like to see a net zero that is not zero for more than a millisecond. Have trips actually taken in ttga. Maybe have the ability to drop to reserves in the next contract.

I know. Wrong company for those that want to work less, not more.

You crack me up! You do realize that the company just had 400 potential candidates come to Dallas last weekend and that there's an application window open this week? Still think hiring is slowing?

Yes I do. Add content.

SWA hiring
 

Net zero was 1 for around an hour last night on HOU FO side. I am out of trips to trade, but there were plenty of trips and time to trade them. I suspect it stayed that way because folks are avoiding July overlap.

As of June 12, SWAPA is projecting 262 new hires AUG-DEC, 140 upgrade slots and 126 CA Vacancies.



1 data point does not make a trend.

This is what I was just about to post.

July captain vacancies were planned to be low, so that fact they decided to just make it zero doesn't mean hiring is coming to an end. In fact, it just reinforces that their plan is to keep the FO side really fat.