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Old 11-30-2018, 01:38 PM
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Bid however you want and don’t let anyone tell you how you should bid unless your union is asking you to do otherwise. Outside that, it’s no one’s business. Don’t lose an ounce of sleep over it. If you want a trip and don’t want to play the extra fly game after it goes to a reserve, bid it straight and move on with your life.

We have more unwritten rules than baseball and it needs to be reigned in. Follow the contract and your union’s guidance when asked to do so and free yourself from the drama that can flare up from time to time.

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Old 11-30-2018, 01:57 PM
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Just curious. Do you think it’s wrong for new hires to bid a good trip straight? It’s effectively paid at premium rates with the bump to 2nd year. I’m almost at the end of year 1 and I’ve only done it once on a day trip (I like being home too much) but I certainly don’t fault those that do bid straight. What surprises me is senior guys/gals in both seats bidding straight on trips that are well below rigs.


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I don't think it's wrong at all. It's my private opinion and I'm sure many will disagree. Not surprisingly, most who disagree are senior and consider all streight bidders as traitors "stealing" their premium. I think you should bid the way you want, especially if you're a probie, getting second year pay is like premium. Just remember a few things, like e.g. you won't get a second year pay if you dropped below original line value, only for what's above it. Also, what the poster above me wrote is very good info (even though he says to never bid straight). Honestly, I rarely bid for open time because I have little kids at home and wanna spend as much time with them as possible. When I find a day I can pick something up (less then once a month) I bid only on turns and bid to get it, so I bid streight if the credit is at least 6.5 a day and I know there's no chance to get it at premium. What I can't stand the most is senior people getting mad when someone junior snaps a trip at streight time, and the moment they get over the cap they bid streight themselves.
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Old 11-30-2018, 02:49 PM
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Just to be clear, I'm not telling anyone that it's wrong to bid straight. Quite the contrary, I'm trying to help the new guys score second-year pay without getting outbid all the time especially now that we're overstaffed on the FO side. Nowadays, all it takes is a first-year pilot throwing a straight bid about an hour before close, and you have FO's senior enough to hold captain outbidding them at straight. Sad, but the end result is usually the first-year pilot left holding the bag.

I outlined some of the easier ways to make extra cash as a first-year pilot as opposed to just throwing straight bids, but ultimately, it's all up to the individual.
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Old 11-30-2018, 02:56 PM
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Like I said, I've only done it once (small kids as well at home), but that particular day trip paid 9 TFPs and it made sense. After the first year, if I can, I'll make sure nothing in TTGA makes sense before bidding straight on anything.

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Old 11-30-2018, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 View Post
Just to be clear, I'm not telling anyone that it's wrong to bid straight. Quite the contrary, I'm trying to help the new guys score second-year pay without getting outbid all the time especially now that we're overstaffed on the FO side. Nowadays, all it takes is a first-year pilot throwing a straight bid about an hour before close, and you have FO's senior enough to hold captain outbidding them at straight. Sad, but the end result is usually the first-year pilot left holding the bag.

I outlined some of the easier ways to make extra cash as a first-year pilot as opposed to just throwing straight bids, but ultimately, it's all up to the individual.
Lol. I agree with a lot of what you say, but your first lines from both posts are comical.

Yes, it's wrong!!!! to I'm not telling anybody it's wrong....

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Old 11-30-2018, 03:00 PM
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Yes... it's wrong because you're shorting yourself, not because you're choosing to bid one way or another.
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Old 11-30-2018, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sMFer View Post
Lol. I agree with a lot of what you say, but your first lines from both posts are comical.

Yes, it's wrong!!!! to I'm not telling anybody it's wrong....
Wrong from a strategy aspect, not a moral aspect.

Very unlikely a new hire will see a 9 tfp turn straight in this environment...but if a new hire wants to be sure they won't get it, bid straight long before the close. Any other strategy would give them a better chance.

I'm a "mid-seniority" FO and the last premium trip I flew was summer 2017. I do outbid new hires on straight trips often however.
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Old 11-30-2018, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 View Post
Yes... it's wrong because you're shorting yourself, not because you're choosing to bid one way or another.


While I do think that people should bid how they like, I have to agree with RJS on this one and think people should bid more intelligently. You never know when you'll win that POT award due to the reasons listed earlier (people over the cap, vacation, illegal etc.). Therefore as a first year guy, you are potentially shorting yourself if you only bid straight. There are beau coup trips that are awarded to reserves and as a new hire, you are the only ones in in the system that can just pick up the phone and call scheduling to pick up said trips to essentially get paid premium (second year rates).

Why sell yourself short by only bidding straight when it's just a phone call away should the trip ultimately get awarded to a reserve? Unless you really really want the trip, even as a new hire, I don't see why you wouldn't bid premium. These days, odds are that it's going to reserve anyway and you have a nice ace up your sleeve for second year pay regardless of how you initially bid.

Just my thoughts as a greedy semi senior FO


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Old 11-30-2018, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Proximity View Post
Wrong from a strategy aspect, not a moral aspect.



Very unlikely a new hire will see a 9 tfp turn straight in this environment...but if a new hire wants to be sure they won't get it, bid straight long before the close. Any other strategy would give them a better chance.



I'm a "mid-seniority" FO and the last premium trip I flew was summer 2017. I do outbid new hires on straight trips often however.


^^ This! Once you start the straight train going, you're pretty much guaranteed to be outbid when you could have patiently waited for it to be assigned to a reserve, call scheduling and get your second year rates opposed to no trip at all.


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Old 11-30-2018, 03:58 PM
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How are you shorting yourself when the only way to get a trip that you want is to bid it straight? Your earlier post was very clear cut.... DO NOT BID STRAIGHT... get it from extra fly if you must.

The only bidding advice I give is check TTGA first, but realize that a majority of the sweet trips/turns are there to clear someone else’s board so they can bid POT. More power to them.

I don’t know what drives people to bid they way they do... again... ain’t my business. Maybe they are at their 4th airline after 20 years of bankruptcies/furloughs/stuck at the regionals and are trying to get financially healthy; maybe they are on their 4th ex-wife; maybe they have 3 kids in college; maybe they’re trying to retire early; maybe they’re returning to work after being out for a year or more of LTD; maybe they child or parent dependent care issues; or maybe they are just a workaholic. Bid whatever meets your needs.
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