Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
(Post 2796343)
Are we not trained to operate in high stress situations? The other Lion Air crews handled it and I have no doubt a US crew could handle it. What made these 2 crews unable? Let me say it again, other Lion Air crews flew the airplane under the exact same conditions.
I think the same situation could have played itself out in the US where one or more crews could have come through the situation while another crew could not. Boeing just apologized for their screw up with regards to the MCAS debacle: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/additional-software-problem-found-in-boeing-737-max-control-system-officials-2018200 |
Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
(Post 2796343)
Are we not trained to operate in high stress situations? The other Lion Air crews handled it and I have no doubt a IS crew could handle it. What made these 2 crews unable? The me say it again other Lion Air crews flew the airplane under the exact same conditions.
Not blame, but why. Need to know why to fix it. Just like Boeing is fixing MCAS. You have to identify all causes and fix them all to prevent other accidents. Who cares what airplane you are a fan of unless you own your own airline and are buying the airplanes. |
Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
(Post 2796343)
Are we not trained to operate in high stress situations? The other Lion Air crews handled it and I have no doubt a IS crew could handle it. What made these 2 crews unable? The me say it again other Lion Air crews flew the airplane under the exact same conditions.
Not blame, but why. Need to know why to fix it. Just like Boeing is fixing MCAS. You have to identify all causes and fix them all to prevent other accidents. Who cares what airplane you are a fan of unless you own your own airline and are buying the airplanes. |
Originally Posted by gipple
(Post 2797617)
Your not going to like what the US trained Atlas Air Pilots did.
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Originally Posted by WestCoastFlyr
(Post 2796138)
https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...X-Ethiopia.pdf
Direct your attention to page 11, at the "From 05:40:42 to 05:43:11" mark. I can think of no other explanation for what is described here other than manual trim applied in the nose down direction. |
Originally Posted by stabapch
(Post 2796932)
PNWFlyer probably has some stock in Boeing or his grand daddy works in the factory, that’s why he’s so infatuated with blaming the pilots for failing to fly an aircraft with an admitted severe safety system fault.
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/a...ml#post2487446 In his defense though, I'd imagine any SEA-based 737 pilot with friends & family at Boeing is going to have a lot of insider info / insight on this stuff... even if it's (understandably) soaked in kool-aid. |
Ran into a Fed today who’s working directly on getting the MAX back into the air. Straight from his mouth:
- AA, SWA, & UAL have had a chance to fly the MAX sim in MIA with the new software installed. All three airlines are content with it. - The FAA anticipated giving the MAX the green light sometime in April, but other countries are holding things up and slow-rolling. Ethiopian is claiming that their crew was not able to disconnect MCAS through the stab trim cutout switches. - The FAA doesn’t want to release the aircraft back into operation until others countries do the same due to public perception concerns. So all this straight from a Fed who’s working on the MAX issue right now. |
Originally Posted by gipple
(Post 2797617)
Your not going to like what the US trained Atlas Air Pilots did.
Or the AA crew who tore the tail off after encountering wake turbulence or the Colgan crew who stalled on short final... or the plethora of other dumb stuff that we’ve all heard about in our recurrent classes... Fact is Boeing knows exactly who they are selling these planes to, and they have to dumb it down to the lowest common denominator. Every airline has their strong pilots and their not so strong pilots. Lion air is sort of an example of that. You get the wrong crew on a bad day, even in the good ol’ USA, and this could easily happen. This isn’t some NASA demonstrator plane flown by test pilots. If anyone thinks it’s ok what this new MCAS is doing because “they would have saved the day” they’re delusional. Boeing has been selling a flawed product and they deserve what’s coming. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 2798939)
Ran into a Fed today who’s working directly on getting the MAX back into the air. Straight from his mouth:
- AA, SWA, & UAL have had a chance to fly the MAX sim in MIA with the new software installed. All three airlines are content with it. - The FAA anticipated giving the MAX the green light sometime in April, but other countries are holding things up and slow-rolling. Ethiopian is claiming that their crew was not able to disconnect MCAS through the stab trim cutout switches. - The FAA doesn’t want to release the aircraft back into operation until others countries do the same due to public perception concerns. So all this straight from a Fed who’s working on the MAX issue right now. No surprise there at all....bureaucracies doing what they do best: CYA. This issue has become so geo-politicized on so many levels. The Feds already have a black eye over this--there's no way they go out on a limb and be first/alone in saying GTG. And Lord only knows what kind of concessions the Chinese will hold out for from Boeing & USA, Inc. So in light of all that, I'm thinking six more months....minimum. I also don't see how new-hire classes & upgrades can continue into the summer, as over-staffed as we already were going into this whole mess. :( |
More upgrades! Let’s get the overmanning in the left seat where it belongs ;)
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