SWA leaving Newark
07-26-2019, 01:21 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by jamesholzhauer
https://www.airliners.net/forum/view...2069&start=200 go down to post 246. According to this (and some other places I've read but don't have the sources handy), UAL didn't buy these planes to deny them from SWA, but are actually getting them from SWA (GECAS owns them but leased them to SWA, and as part of SWAs -700 early retirement while moving to the MAX they made a deal to retire them and pass them back to GECAS and on to UAL). Also, supposedly this deal isn't new and was in the works a while ago (at least on the SWA end), and just so happens to work out well for UAL...not so much for SWA (if it is accurate).
Supposedly this is when the decision was made to park some of those 700s.
https://leehamnews.com/2018/04/30/so...0-retirements/ https://simpleflying.com/southwest-737-retirement/
Related, today SWA says they are delaying some -700 early retirements, so they got that going for them. https://centreforaviation.com/news/s...ircraft-924415
Supposedly this is when the decision was made to park some of those 700s.
https://leehamnews.com/2018/04/30/so...0-retirements/ https://simpleflying.com/southwest-737-retirement/
Related, today SWA says they are delaying some -700 early retirements, so they got that going for them. https://centreforaviation.com/news/s...ircraft-924415
07-26-2019, 04:51 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by SINCE
Pulling out of part of the largest market in the USA for one.
Capitulating a chunk of business because of the Max disaster two (as the article states). It’s a shame SW has to do something akin to shrinking to profitability over this.
It will add to the public’s negative perception of the Max if the country’s largest operator of it states they are pulling out of markets because of it.
And (I’ll admit this is selfish) SW is on my radar and EWR is my home airport, so commuting would see limits.
I have to hope the situation will all reverse itself sooner than later. Who knows
Capitulating a chunk of business because of the Max disaster two (as the article states). It’s a shame SW has to do something akin to shrinking to profitability over this.
It will add to the public’s negative perception of the Max if the country’s largest operator of it states they are pulling out of markets because of it.
And (I’ll admit this is selfish) SW is on my radar and EWR is my home airport, so commuting would see limits.
I have to hope the situation will all reverse itself sooner than later. Who knows
07-26-2019, 07:58 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by hoover
The planes UA got were SW planes. They were too expensive mix wise to keep. It sucks pulling out of a market but they will focus those planes on more profitable routes and fill the NY gap using LGA where we got more gates.
Management doesn't share their strategy with us who knows what their plan is but I'm sure they have a room full of people thinking stuff up and then a room of people backing them up. Plus our amazing F-teen guys backing them up.
Management doesn't share their strategy with us who knows what their plan is but I'm sure they have a room full of people thinking stuff up and then a room of people backing them up. Plus our amazing F-teen guys backing them up.
07-26-2019, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lavService
LGA is slot restricted... having more gates means absolutely nothing. EWR is not slot restricted but gate constrained. I'm shocked to see SWA give up Newark.
SWA retreated from SFO before, ultimately to return.
Funny nobody seemed to care when SWA pulled out of DAY last year....
07-26-2019, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by trip
20K flights get xcld in 2nd qtr alone because of the MAX. Think WN will be shopping for another type ASAP?
07-27-2019, 09:11 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
Probably more a financial decision than a Max issue. We should have 60 Max planes in operation by Oct. So sure, when nearly 10% of your fleet is parked in a parking lot in a political hit job you have to do what you can to keep the rest of the operation flowing. So mgt prob looked and saw EWR as something they could sacrifice due to poor financial numbers.
Also allows those planes to be redeployed to more lucrative markets like HI, etc.
Also allows those planes to be redeployed to more lucrative markets like HI, etc.
346 fatalities. You're delusional.
07-27-2019, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RustyChain
346 fatalities. You're delusional.
07-27-2019, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RustyChain
346 fatalities. You're delusional.
That many people will die this weekend on US roads alone.
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