Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 2869596)

So 67/70 wouldn’t be age discrimination? Ours isn’t the only profession with an age limit (military, atc, many social services departments) Are they discriminating?

The reason for age 65 was economic. The majors filed bankruptcy and robbed pilots’ pensions to fund golden parachutes. Age 65 allowed pilots close to retirement 5 extra years to recoup those losses.

Airlines now want age 67 or higher as a temporary stop-gap measure to ease the pilot shortage they created when they destroyed our profession, created c-scale wages with regional carriers, and slowed our upward progression. Senior pilots nowadays aren’t in the same financial situation as then and should have the means to retire. Raising the retirement age again would deter even more prospective airline pilots and alienate current junior pilots, just like it did last time.

Originally Posted by Swingline78 (Post 2869619)

Who the hell wants to fly with them either? Dudes with their belts hiked up above there belly button wondering why the 25 yr old FA isn't interested in seeing his droopy bits. Now imagine them five years older and still refusing to use vnav. It's not every one else's problem you have have 3 ex-wives and no retirement.

Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing (Post 2869633)

And as my grandmother told me when she asked me to open a jar or read a label and I laughed, "You'll be there one day too". No one thinks they'll be the old guy in the crowd until they're the old guy, and you will be that guy someday.

And I'll take the old guy that can at least figure out how to get Jet A to Airport B without a magic magenta line and a flight director. Many younger pilots can't. VNAV is great when it works. And ours is not very smooth on many arrivals but god forbid you'd be able to use vertical speed or some other pitch mode to prevent that in the interest of your paying pax and their ride.

Originally Posted by Swingline78 (Post 2869720)

Your depends are showing Gramps.

Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing (Post 2869746)

Wow, that was clever. And I'm nowhere close to 65. Just little more, make that a lot, more mature than you. Poster child of the magenta. Now run along young man and follow that flight director to wherever it takes you.

Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing (Post 2869554)

I guess you’ll just ignore the fact that it was pure age discrimination and had been fought in the courts for decades. So you’re saying that the law should have been geared to the economy or your personal situation?

Originally Posted by N6279P (Post 2869801)

It’s funny you assume everyone that’s younger are somehow inferior. You must have some great CRM.

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 2869845)

I would’ve gone along with 65 had they recognized that there were thousands on furlough and stepped the change. (This year it’s 61... next year it’s 62... year after that it’s 63... etc) But choosing to instantly throw on the parking brake for an extra 5 years was catastrophic, not only to MY career but to the thousands of ALPA pilots who were on the street post 9/11 and desperate for recall.

Most of us are getting close to upgrade now either at our original majors or the ones we finally were able to get hired at after the lost decade. Age 67/70 would hurt the SAME group for a second time.

Not without a fight.


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