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Originally Posted by Peacock
(Post 2996521)
I plan to build my furlough war chest by stealing TP from my overnight hotels and selling it black market. Modern times call for modern solutions.
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You guys laugh, but I know a Hawaiian captain who had to make a PA because the TP kept disappearing and they were going to run out before they reached the islands. True story.
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
(Post 2996512)
Dear lord you guys are a bunch of doom and gloomers. While I won't say that a furlough is out of the realm of possibility, it is definitely not likely and I would categorize it as extremely unlikely.
I was 1,149 from the bottom of a pilot group of 6076. Roughly 20% from the bottom. After I hit the street in March of 2002, they kept right on furloughing until 1800 pilots hit the street. 30% of the pre-9/11 total. Granted there were some differences. They took advantage of the situation to obliterate the scope clause and start flying an armada of RJs under a variety of contract carriers. Passengers were scared to fly, so they reassured them with armored cockpit doors, air marshals, FFDOs, and TSA window dressing. In a few years the passengers started coming back, but then age 65 blew that up... before we knew it we had been on the street for the majority of the lost decade. This time the enemy is invisible and it isn't just impacting airplanes, they've also shut down everywhere people want to go from sporting events to business conferences to Disneyland. So is my glass half empty? Sure it is. Because I feel like I've lived through this kind of travel recession before, and those twenty year old memories are still crystal clear. RJ can post all of the Eeyore memes he wants. When all is said and done I think this is going to have been worse than 9/11. Still think the world of you though! You're the funniest guy there is and I wish I was you! |
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Memo that Delta just sent out to their pilots..
300 airplanes... that's like 4800 pilots. Granted many might be RJs but still. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e662355b4a.jpg Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
(Post 2996867)
Memo that Delta just sent out to their pilots..
300 airplanes... that's like 4800 pilots. Granted many might be RJs but still. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e662355b4a.jpg Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Wide bodies won’t be doing much so there’s 18 777’s, 13 a350’s, 77 767’s, and 47 A330’s. Assuming none are used for domestic feed that’s 230 planes. So I’d guess there’s RJ’s in there....unless they’re gonna park 717, 737 and 320’s too. Makes me glad we only have one fleet. That’s a mess.... |
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
(Post 2996650)
You know I think the world of you, and 99% of the time we are on the same page. The thing is, you weren't doing this job on 9/11. You were out doing Captain America stuff and saving the world. I was doing this job, with a different paint scheme.
I was 1,149 from the bottom of a pilot group of 6076. Roughly 20% from the bottom. After I hit the street in March of 2002, they kept right on furloughing until 1800 pilots hit the street. 30% of the pre-9/11 total. Granted there were some differences. They took advantage of the situation to obliterate the scope clause and start flying an armada of RJs under a variety of contract carriers. Passengers were scared to fly, so they reassured them with armored cockpit doors, air marshals, FFDOs, and TSA window dressing. In a few years the passengers started coming back, but then age 65 blew that up... before we knew it we had been on the street for the majority of the lost decade. This time the enemy is invisible and it isn't just impacting airplanes, they've also shut down everywhere people want to go from sporting events to business conferences to Disneyland. So is my glass half empty? Sure it is. Because I feel like I've lived through this kind of travel recession before, and those twenty year old memories are still crystal clear. RJ can post all of the Eeyore memes he wants. When all is said and done I think this is going to have been worse than 9/11. Still think the world of you though! You're the funniest guy there is and I wish I was you! I get it. Our experiences shape us. I just think you are wrong. I also think that you are a great individual. I think SWA would furlough if the conditions were dire, but this isn't that situation. We will see how this all shakes out and I may be eating some crow, but I doubt it. I have told my wife that we are going to be living off min guarantee for a while. That's about a 30 percent pay cut for me. That's just the way it goes. |
How many airplanes in SWA’s fleet are owned outright?
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They say it takes 24 months to actually be worthwhile for a furlough to make sense. I was furloughed in AIRTRAN and when our class got called back our CEO BOB F. was there to explain that it was a mistake due to the fact we weren’t out that long. With that being said the legacy carriers have huge international presence in Asia and Europe! These markets might take a very long time to come back to the levels that sustain them profit wise.
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