Southwest or Spirit
02-03-2022, 11:31 AM
#101
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
Posts: 5,161
Originally Posted by Excargodog
I can explain it to you. I can’t understand it for you. If you don’t put in the effort you will never get it. Google “queuing theory” and “theory of constraints” and do a little reading.
And right now it appears the ULCCs have qualified applicants for all their new hire classes. Is there going to be attrition in the ULCCs higher up the seniority chain? Yeah, no doubt. How much? Depends on what management does to curtail it. But there is also going to be attrition at the Big Three. But a good chunk of theirs is age-related retirements, which their management can’t do a d@mn thing about. Barring a regulatory change, all those guys are just gone, and neither money nor work rule changes will help.
Either way, the first hit comes at the regional level.
And right now it appears the ULCCs have qualified applicants for all their new hire classes. Is there going to be attrition in the ULCCs higher up the seniority chain? Yeah, no doubt. How much? Depends on what management does to curtail it. But there is also going to be attrition at the Big Three. But a good chunk of theirs is age-related retirements, which their management can’t do a d@mn thing about. Barring a regulatory change, all those guys are just gone, and neither money nor work rule changes will help.
Either way, the first hit comes at the regional level.
There's talk of NK having to park 319s for lack of crews. CA upgrades are being reduced at all ULCCs including NK. How are you blind to this?
02-03-2022, 11:56 AM
#102
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,551
Originally Posted by Andy
Lol! You are way behind on what's happening. The hit already came to the regionals. Now the ULCCs are getting poached. Wake up.
There's talk of NK having to park 319s for lack of crews. CA upgrades are being reduced at all ULCCs including NK. How are you blind to this?
There's talk of NK having to park 319s for lack of crews. CA upgrades are being reduced at all ULCCs including NK. How are you blind to this?
THIS IS A PROBLEM:
[url=https://ibb.co/nmFrom today’s Endeavour thread…
02-03-2022, 06:07 PM
#105
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: American Airlines Brake Pad Replacement Technician
Posts: 472
[QUOTE=Excargodog;3365368]That’s an inconvenience, not a problem. NK has almost 17 pilots per aircraft and they can just add premium pay if they want. Or just choose to park 319s to staff the 24 320 NEOs they have coming in this year.
THIS IS A PROBLEM:
One that is instantly solved by increasing compensation👍
THIS IS A PROBLEM:
One that is instantly solved by increasing compensation👍
02-03-2022, 06:09 PM
#106
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,551
[QUOTE=Caveman;3365625]
I’m not convinced you understand the problem…
Originally Posted by Excargodog
That’s an inconvenience, not a problem. NK has almost 17 pilots per aircraft and they can just add premium pay if they want. Or just choose to park 319s to staff the 24 320 NEOs they have coming in this year.
THIS IS A PROBLEM:
One that is instantly solved by increasing compensation
THIS IS A PROBLEM:
One that is instantly solved by increasing compensation
02-04-2022, 01:31 AM
#108
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 291
[QUOTE=Excargodog;[url=tel:3365627]3365627[/url]]
I’m not convinced you understand how supply and demand works.
Originally Posted by Caveman;[url=tel:3365625
3365625[/url]]
I’m not convinced you understand the problem…
I’m not convinced you understand the problem…
02-04-2022, 03:30 AM
#109
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: American Airlines Brake Pad Replacement Technician
Posts: 472
[QUOTE=symbian simian;3365721]
Lol 😂
This one is so easy, even a Caveman can figure this out.
Supply/Demand & Barriers To Entry.
Originally Posted by Excargodog
well, he is a caveman
This one is so easy, even a Caveman can figure this out.
Supply/Demand & Barriers To Entry.
02-04-2022, 04:34 AM
#110
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,796
I think he is saying it doesn’t immediately solve the problem. Airline managements created this problem over a generation of poor pay and working conditions at the commuters, massive outsourcing of narrow body flying (DC9, F28, F100, Bac111, 737-200) to regional jets, along with the near constant cycle of furlough and recall. So even stellar pay and benefits today would take years to trickle down to new student pilot starts, training, time building and eventually a new hire. Many of us whose careers were upended after 9/11 won’t recommend the career to our own children - that’s not insignificant.
I fear the result will be an increase in retirement age to 67 or 70, creating yet another half decade of stagnation (although at least we aren’t on furlough this time). In my (unpopular) opinion we should advocating right now for pilots who choose to work beyond age 65 to be SIC only. Worse yet some sort of multi crew license scheme like the Europeans use where FOs lack any significant experience before warming the right seat in an airliner.
I fear the result will be an increase in retirement age to 67 or 70, creating yet another half decade of stagnation (although at least we aren’t on furlough this time). In my (unpopular) opinion we should advocating right now for pilots who choose to work beyond age 65 to be SIC only. Worse yet some sort of multi crew license scheme like the Europeans use where FOs lack any significant experience before warming the right seat in an airliner.
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