Id imagine the confusion is in the mechanics of how this works. I’ll use a simple one. Let’s say there’s an open time trip - HOT (hourly open time). Straight pay is 6.0 TFP and premium is 9.0 TFP. (Assuming you have met your AOLT (adjusted original line total and the open time trip is above and beyond that number).

If you bid and are awarded at straight - it will pay 6.0 tfp at second year pay.

I you bid and are awarded at premium - it will pay 9.0 tfp at second year pay.

When people say a “straight pickup is like premium” what they mean is that if you multiply 6.0 x second year pay it will equal about the same as 9.0 x FIRST year pay. So it’s basically trying to make you feel good about missing out on 3 more trips at second year pay.

Adjusted original line total has to be met before second year from open time kicks in but it’s only looked at at the end of the month.

Example: your adjusted original line total is 90. You managed to drop a 3 day block of reserve. So now your pay is 72. Your original line total is still 90. You go and pick up an open time trip that pays 9. That brings your pay to 81. Original line total is still 90. So that open time is still paying first year. Realizing your mistake, you pick up a 3 day block of reserve off of another pilot bringing your total pay to 99.

90 of it is first year pay. And 9 (from the open time trip) will pay at second year pay.

if you just picked up a 2 day block of reserve. That would bring your tfp total to 93. So 90 is first year. And only 3 from that 9 tfp open time trip is paid at second year.

This is where bidding monthly overlap conflicts could help because it could drop your Adjusted original total down (if it’s done right). Doing that with reserve won’t be a positive unless your able to link 7 days in a row in which case you would need 30 hours off in 7.

I hope this helps.

Some senior folks will try up convince you not to bid straight time on any open time because well….they want the trip at premium and they’re senior to you and under the CAP. So taking their advice and bidding what you’re willing to be paid, if you bid straight on an open trip and you’re on first year pay, you’ll get second year pay, which is like 1.5x your first year pay. Perhaps they’re right that if you bid premium you’ll get 1.5x second year pay, but 99% of the time winning that bid would be like finding a three legged unicorn.

You continue to prove that you're both condescending and incorrect. Why not just admit you were wrong and be thankful that you learned something? It's not your fault that you were told incorrectly by a malicious scheduler. It IS your fault that you're continuing to be snide about it, and I wouldn't care except that you're actively trying to cost my fellow pilots who are in their first year money.

I did bid premium all the time my first year, and did get it, and it did pay at second year pay. Sure, they weren't the one leg to PUJ a 48 hour overnight and one leg back, but PLENTY of 30+ TFP three days. And the lower paying premium trips generally have the side benefit of being lower block so you can either finish them not on the verge of death or be able to pick up another trip later.

I have nothing against first year guys picking up at straight except it costs them money. The lines are so dense right now that unless you clear your board (very hard these days since everybody is bumping against legalities), after the big bad senior person you're describing is awarded a single premium three day, they're over the cap and will get put underneath the freshest new hire on property.

Know your contract.

We’ll know they know your opinion and they know mine and they can choose to bid how they like knowing the info. Seems like that’s exactly what they wanted in the first place.

Kinda new here myself, how do I mute people like you?

Bid how you want. You are playing the game wrong. You are leaving money on the table. Everyone has a choice. Listen to the newbie that thinks he can’t get premium or to the senior pilots that have been in your shoes and made mistakes. Enjoy the straight pay. Don’t Eeor others into your flawed logic.

And if you wanna fly straight paying trips for second year pay there’s easier ways to do it. And it’s nice for everyone. Bid on crappy monthly open time trips and elitt them into something decent that now pay second year. I’m talking about a crappy 2 tfp turn and turning into a decent three day. Be careful about combo trading them with your other trips though. Not sure it keeps the second year pay after that.

We found another me me me me yes yes yes with Dirk!

Lead the way!

Our pilot group literally has THOUSANDS of these guys.

As you wait 45 minutes for trans to go to a hotel under construction for your 10:45 overnight so that you can sit psuedo domicile airport reserve for your flight the next day that's 3:55 late...you have these guys to thank for the Contract we have and will get to vote on.

Me-me-me-me

As In, you dropped 3 reserve blocks into TTGA, and someone took them? Would this have to occur prior to august or when?

thanks

Do you even work here?

Open Time process and how it gets awarded is addressed in the contract and the only ambiguity is due to trolls like you.