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ZapBrannigan 09-17-2023 05:26 AM

Small blessings
 
Since over the last several years we've dealt with more than our share of teething pains with the Max, and I among others have lamented the fact that our fleet lacked diversity, I figured I should be thankful for small blessings.

Pratt and Whitney announced that 650+ airplanes equipped with their GTF engine (Some A320 family NEO) would have to be grounded for 6-9 months(!) to address quality control issues. That's a global fleet the size of Ryan Air that will be parked for the better part of the year.

This, in part, may explain why Spirit revised their revenue forecasts so dramatically for Q3. Not sure if Frontier has any GTF engines on theirs. ALL of Hawaiian's A321 NEOs have the GTF engine.

So it's not a Max problem for a change. Phew!

flyguy81 09-17-2023 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3698054)
Since over the last several years we've dealt with more than our share of teething pains with the Max, and I among others have lamented the fact that our fleet lacked diversity, I figured I should be thankful for small blessings.

Pratt and Whitney announced that 650+ airplanes equipped with their GTF engine (Some A320 family NEO) would have to be grounded for 6-9 months(!) to address quality control issues. That's a global fleet the size of Ryan Air that will be parked for the better part of the year.

This, in part, may explain why Spirit revised their revenue forecasts so dramatically for Q3. Not sure if Frontier has any GTF engines on theirs.

So it's not a Max problem for a change. Phew!

Saw that and thought….”your turn Airbus”

WHACKMASTER 09-17-2023 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3698054)
Since over the last several years we've dealt with more than our share of teething pains with the Max, and I among others have lamented the fact that our fleet lacked diversity, I figured I should be thankful for small blessings.

Pratt and Whitney announced that 650+ airplanes equipped with their GTF engine (Some A320 family NEO) would have to be grounded for 6-9 months(!) to address quality control issues. That's a global fleet the size of Ryan Air that will be parked for the better part of the year.

This, in part, may explain why Spirit revised their revenue forecasts so dramatically for Q3. Not sure if Frontier has any GTF engines on theirs. ALL of Hawaiian's A321 NEOs have the GTF engine.

So it's not a Max problem for a change. Phew!

Wow. That’s BIG news. I think this would effect the A220s as well.

🔥👇

ROFF 09-17-2023 10:06 AM

How is this a blessing?

Are you thinking our C-sweet actually has the competence to take advantage of this? Please.

They would fumble a football on the 1 yard line if it was glued to their hands.

WHACKMASTER 09-17-2023 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by ROFF (Post 3698157)
How is this a blessing?

Are you thinking our C-sweet actually has the competence to take advantage of this? Please.

They would fumble a football on the 1 yard line if it was glued to their hands.

Agreed. I think Zap’s insinuating that it’s not just the MAX airlines that are taking it in the shorts with stuff like this.

🔥👇

hoover 09-17-2023 12:09 PM

All of HA 320s? How long till sw buys HA?

WHACKMASTER 09-17-2023 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 3698193)
All of HA 320s? How long till sw buys HA?


Hahaha! You funny!

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Smooth at FL450 09-17-2023 12:26 PM

But this speaks directly to the point that adding a 2nd fleet type does not give SWA any fleet protection. It simply doubles the exposure to a crippling issue like this P&W engine issue. Fleet diversification doesn't show up until you have 5-6 fleet types, according to AW. An issue that grounds half your fleet is just as crippling whether it's 1 or 2 AC types.

jetset 09-17-2023 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 3698198)
But this speaks directly to the point that adding a 2nd fleet type does not give SWA any fleet protection. It simply doubles the exposure to a crippling issue like this P&W engine issue. Fleet diversification doesn't show up until you have 5-6 fleet types, according to AW. An issue that grounds half your fleet is just as crippling whether it's 1 or 2 AC types.


except if you need 787s

Smooth at FL450 09-17-2023 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by jetset (Post 3698229)
except if you need 787s

Needing them to expand the operation is different from needing them for diversification reasons, which so many have suggested we needed with tall he Max issues. We'd be in the same boat now if we had a bunch of these GTFs on property...


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