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Old 09-17-2023 | 05:26 AM
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Since over the last several years we've dealt with more than our share of teething pains with the Max, and I among others have lamented the fact that our fleet lacked diversity, I figured I should be thankful for small blessings.

Pratt and Whitney announced that 650+ airplanes equipped with their GTF engine (Some A320 family NEO) would have to be grounded for 6-9 months(!) to address quality control issues. That's a global fleet the size of Ryan Air that will be parked for the better part of the year.

This, in part, may explain why Spirit revised their revenue forecasts so dramatically for Q3. Not sure if Frontier has any GTF engines on theirs. ALL of Hawaiian's A321 NEOs have the GTF engine.

So it's not a Max problem for a change. Phew!
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Old 09-17-2023 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Since over the last several years we've dealt with more than our share of teething pains with the Max, and I among others have lamented the fact that our fleet lacked diversity, I figured I should be thankful for small blessings.

Pratt and Whitney announced that 650+ airplanes equipped with their GTF engine (Some A320 family NEO) would have to be grounded for 6-9 months(!) to address quality control issues. That's a global fleet the size of Ryan Air that will be parked for the better part of the year.

This, in part, may explain why Spirit revised their revenue forecasts so dramatically for Q3. Not sure if Frontier has any GTF engines on theirs.

So it's not a Max problem for a change. Phew!
Saw that and thought….”your turn Airbus”
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Old 09-17-2023 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Since over the last several years we've dealt with more than our share of teething pains with the Max, and I among others have lamented the fact that our fleet lacked diversity, I figured I should be thankful for small blessings.

Pratt and Whitney announced that 650+ airplanes equipped with their GTF engine (Some A320 family NEO) would have to be grounded for 6-9 months(!) to address quality control issues. That's a global fleet the size of Ryan Air that will be parked for the better part of the year.

This, in part, may explain why Spirit revised their revenue forecasts so dramatically for Q3. Not sure if Frontier has any GTF engines on theirs. ALL of Hawaiian's A321 NEOs have the GTF engine.

So it's not a Max problem for a change. Phew!
Wow. That’s BIG news. I think this would effect the A220s as well.

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Old 09-17-2023 | 10:06 AM
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How is this a blessing?

Are you thinking our C-sweet actually has the competence to take advantage of this? Please.

They would fumble a football on the 1 yard line if it was glued to their hands.
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Old 09-17-2023 | 10:09 AM
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How is this a blessing?

Are you thinking our C-sweet actually has the competence to take advantage of this? Please.

They would fumble a football on the 1 yard line if it was glued to their hands.
Agreed. I think Zap’s insinuating that it’s not just the MAX airlines that are taking it in the shorts with stuff like this.

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Old 09-17-2023 | 12:09 PM
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All of HA 320s? How long till sw buys HA?
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Old 09-17-2023 | 12:13 PM
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All of HA 320s? How long till sw buys HA?

Hahaha! You funny!

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Old 09-17-2023 | 12:26 PM
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But this speaks directly to the point that adding a 2nd fleet type does not give SWA any fleet protection. It simply doubles the exposure to a crippling issue like this P&W engine issue. Fleet diversification doesn't show up until you have 5-6 fleet types, according to AW. An issue that grounds half your fleet is just as crippling whether it's 1 or 2 AC types.
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Old 09-17-2023 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
But this speaks directly to the point that adding a 2nd fleet type does not give SWA any fleet protection. It simply doubles the exposure to a crippling issue like this P&W engine issue. Fleet diversification doesn't show up until you have 5-6 fleet types, according to AW. An issue that grounds half your fleet is just as crippling whether it's 1 or 2 AC types.

except if you need 787s
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Old 09-17-2023 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jetset
except if you need 787s
Needing them to expand the operation is different from needing them for diversification reasons, which so many have suggested we needed with tall he Max issues. We'd be in the same boat now if we had a bunch of these GTFs on property...
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