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flier320 03-20-2024 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Clear Right (Post 3783453)
Outside opinion; but have you not been paying attention?

B6 spent 2+ years in the Court System and almost $1/2B dollars trying to acquire NK. On what planet does this administration and this DOJ allow WN to buy NK; totally against their competition/merger anti-trust anti-competitive agenda.

Now if we’re talking different administration (DOJ) or a CH11/7 type situation, might be plausible. But even under CH11, they will be allowed to restructure and attempt a recovery.

NK will probably file ch11 then SWA will "save" it problem solved

flier320 03-20-2024 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3783502)
Slight problem with the 319 part of the plan.

https://simpleflying.com/spirit-airl...9-airbus-a319/

looks like this plan is on hold due to 40 NEO's grounded with engine issues.....

NK only have like 20 319's anyways. but can convert 100 orders 319neo's

e6bpilot 03-20-2024 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3783497)
ok, a SWA pilot dissing legacy pilots over lost pensions and DB plans is just too rich.

you have to have something to lose it. Decades of LCC pilots cutting into the wages/benefits of legacy pilots with companies trying to adapt to deregulation did the most "harm" to this industry.

this happened many moons before and those responsible have their Swa stock to retire on but plz don't post on here how Swa has been anything but negative drag on pilot wages since its inception.

im thrilled they have come to the party lately though and hope they prosper. Even NK.

The last thing the profession needs is a flood of experienced pilots willing to fly for anything putting pressure on everyone else's yields and profits.

Delta pilots dropping by to offer their insightful and amazingly exceptional opinions is actually hilarious. I have bad news for you guys. You aren't any better or worse than the rest of us. We are all pilots who hitched our wagons to whoever was hiring at the time. Go back 15 years on this forum and you will see idiots from SWA opining in the same way. You're right, most of those guys have retired, the few that are left still like to practice "SWA exceptionalism" and invoke the name of Herb like he was some sort of saint.

Enjoy your day in the sun. Your management is really running a great airline and I appreciate the rides back and forth. Despite the BS you are being fed, however, you aren't that great. You will get your turn in the barrel just like everyone else.

It's just a job and they don't care about you. Go to work with that mentality and you will come that much closer to receiving total consciousness on your deathbed.

REF 5 03-20-2024 07:54 AM

The max 8 only cost 10% more to operate per mile with a lot more seats than A319NEO. That's doesn't even include spare parts, Mx, training,etc. That's dead on arrival at SWA. You might as well find some used 700's with relatively low cycles to get you to the 7(if their are any). Even as it costs more, you get the flexibility of the single fleet type.

nene 03-20-2024 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3783512)
Delta pilots dropping by to offer their insightful and amazingly exceptional opinions is actually hilarious. I have bad news for you guys. You aren't any better or worse than the rest of us. We are all pilots who hitched our wagons to whoever was hiring at the time. Go back 15 years on this forum and you will see idiots from SWA opining in the same way. You're right, most of those guys have retired, the few that are left still like to practice "SWA exceptionalism" and invoke the name of Herb like he was some sort of saint.

Enjoy your day in the sun. Your management is really running a great airline and I appreciate the rides back and forth. Despite the BS you are being fed, however, you aren't that great. You will get your turn in the barrel just like everyone else.

It's just a job and they don't care about you. Go to work with that mentality and you will come that much closer to receiving total consciousness on your deathbed.

trust me, we agree way more than we differ. All US major airline pilots do virtually the same job for virtually the same pay. I do not think DAL is any more exceptional than any other airline and we are all just pawns in mgmts decision tree. I was responding to the guy/gal dissing the legacies for losing their pensions thru the bk courts in the 2000s.

we are all paid hourly and you can make $200k to $600k pretty much based on your hustle and commitment to working.

I for one am happy about that and filled with gratitude to be able to work in the industry during this period. When I first started this industry extracted a pound of pain from each new hire with no long call reserve, low pay and stagnant job security. For over a decade I debated even coming back from my furlough gig.

I hope the mgmts at each US carrier can find a path which provides for decent careers and stable employment for all. Like stated before, faltering airlines are not good for any of us.

Stayontarget 03-20-2024 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by flier320 (Post 3783505)
looks like this plan is on hold due to 40 NEO's grounded with engine issues.....

NK only have like 20 319's anyways. but can convert 100 orders 319neo's

Nope. Well maybe but…

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/a...order-book/amp

They won’t and nobody will. There’s a reason the nobody wants the 319NEO.

REF 5 03-20-2024 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3783524)
Nope. Well maybe but…

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/a...order-book/amp

They won’t and nobody will. There’s a reason the nobody wants the 319NEO.

Exactly. 220 has far superior economics per mile than a A319.

Zard 03-20-2024 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3783512)
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It's just a job and they don't care about you. Go to work with that mentality and you will come that much closer to receiving total consciousness on your deathbed.

this. Too many here have their entire personality wrapped up in the paint scheme on the side of a leased airplane. Our personalities suck, anyway.


Ed Bastian would slit his own mother’s throat to boost DAL’s stock price 10%.

Does anyone here think he wouldn’t dump every one of the self-proclaimed best pilots in the world on the street tomorrow if it improved his financial performance?

We’re all eminently replaceable. Act accordingly.

Smooth at FL450 03-20-2024 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by khergan (Post 3783484)
Wouldn't be hard for the Biden camp to show that WN tickets are on average more $$$ than NK tickets. You can't have the Walmart rubber sandal crowd losing out on their ability to go see grandpap for $30.

but uncle Joe hates junk fees and at SWA, bags still fly free!

cornerpocket 03-20-2024 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by Born2FlyAv8R (Post 3783458)
maybe SWA will be smarter and not announce to the world that their intention is to raise prices as they try to merge or acquire NK.

Bingo. Looks like AS learned from that mistake and applied it to the purchase of HAL.


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