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Squawkbox2012 01-29-2025 02:45 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3876188)
This. So so much this!

I’m a former FedEx guy and just went through the scope battle over there with the failed TA. If the company begins talking scope relief with SWAPA I will make it my mission to educate my fellow pilots here to why it is crucial for us not to provide any scope relief.

FedEx pilots nearly sold the farm for a measly pension increase. Thankfully enough junior pilots voted against it however the company has now made their lives terrible by being on reduced guarantees amongst other things.

Different situation and extreme circumstances but it is key people here understand just how important scope indeed is. We have a sizable section of the population coming from corporate backgrounds or non-121 and haven’t encountered this which is understandable.

So I’ll repeat what was said. No relief on scope. Ever.

e6bpilot 01-29-2025 05:16 AM

Looks like Frontier is trying for F9/NK 2.0 (or is it 3.0? I lost track). Interested to see how this works out.

Grease5667 01-29-2025 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by mulcher (Post 3876104)
JetBlue Airways is trading at $6.01 closing today. They admitted they are in talks with several talks other US Domestic Airlines about a some type of Domestic partnership. JetBlues JetForward network realignment has almost eliminated all the Overlapping Routes the had with Southwest Airlines.

Southwest and JetBlue network overlap is now only 7% this would far surpass any government regulatory pushback.

In comparison JetBlue Failed merger with Spirit Airlines had a 82% network overlap that would have caused a monopoly in the competitive North East Florida market share. One of the key reasons why the DOJ rejected the merger deal.

Southwest can’t afford to let someone else buy JetBlue and surpassed us on the east coast and Florida.

JetBlues northeast and south Florida dominance would bring the market share Southwest has struggled to capture battling JetBlue.

They also would Bring a flip the switch immediately abilities to add WN flights to its reservation system selling to tickets and accept currency in foreign markets soon than mid 2026/27 projection.

They also have a Huge Non major Code share alliances WN could tap into faster than the Slow Even Better Southwest approach.

JetBlue would bring in a plethora of experienced IT specialists to help enhance WN own operations.

The New Fab 5 Elliot BOD directors

Bring us the skill sets to achieve this mission.

Fleet diversity to help ensure a healthy balance should Boeing continue to have set backs with delivery delays with the MAX8/7 aircraft.

While I know many People LUV the good old Herb Southwest. The missteps under GK leadership and failure to harbour and harness the all synergies from the AirTran merger has put us in the position of not meeting our ROIC targets.

While our Even Better Southwest plan with Even more leg room premium seats with the seat assignments is a good idea the timeline is a

slow approach.

Buying JetBlue would give WN overall network a 72% boost in revenue synergies. 25% more that what AirTran brought to company.

I know many will say Never. But nobody thought Southwest would’ve ever bought Morris Air or AirTran either.

Yes, let’s give up our industry leading scope if it were to happen.

Bgood 01-29-2025 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3876250)
Looks like Frontier is trying for F9/NK 2.0 (or is it 3.0? I lost track). Interested to see how this works out.

It was rejected by Spirit. I bet NK has someone else up their cheeks with a better proposal.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deal...iMLMMcDxFWcQrw

mulcher 01-29-2025 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3876287)
It was rejected by Spirit. I bet NK has someone else up their cheeks with a better proposal.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deal...iMLMMcDxFWcQrw

I wonder if they have a better offer?

e6bpilot 01-29-2025 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by mulcher (Post 3876294)
I wonder if they have a better offer?

Either that or they are holding out for better terms. Frontier's offer is pretty meh.

docav8tor 01-29-2025 08:01 AM

https://capedge.com/filing/1498710/0...01007/SAVEQ-8K

mulcher 01-29-2025 01:57 PM

Maybe United is driving up the price.

https://viewfromthewing.com/jetblue-...sset-purchase/

Salukidawg 01-29-2025 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by mulcher (Post 3876567)
Maybe United is driving up the price.

https://viewfromthewing.com/jetblue-...sset-purchase/

Maybe, but Kirby wants back into JFK in the worst possible way. If he has to buy an entire Airline to do that then so be it.

hoover 01-30-2025 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3876177)
No way. Sorry, but I think the pilot group knows what they have with section one and they aren't going to give it away. Sure, there would be some Koolies approaching retirement who would love to get a few years of extra pay, but with an increasingly younger group of pilots and a lot of us middle seniority guys who are fairly militant, it just isn't going to happen.

unfortunately the pilot group will do whatever the union says to do. SWAPA speaks for me and all that


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