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Old 05-10-2026 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by hoover
what does LVL change do that VNAV can't?
Originally Posted by AAdvocate
Stay on speed


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Old 05-10-2026 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by hoover
what does LVL change do that VNAV can't?
Emergency decent without intermediate level offs
expedited decent for turbulence or ATC
anytime on vectors without good vnav guidance
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Old 05-10-2026 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
Stay on speed
ha! Yes this too.
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Old 05-10-2026 | 12:48 PM
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Level change in a Boeing is the same as Open Decent in the Bus
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Old 05-10-2026 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
Stay on speed
you COULD just put the speed in the box and let it generate a path…..🤷‍♂️
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Old 05-10-2026 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Grm77
you COULD just put the speed in the box and let it generate a path…..🤷‍♂️
Thanks for the lesson on setting up the Box Captain. What happens if the winds are off 10 knots?

Look, I'm not arguing for or against the use of VNAV or the fact that it is even required or the best choice to use in many situations. But it amazes me sometimes how afraid some pilots are to use level change or vertical speed when the situation calls for it. VNAV is not the be all/end all
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Old 05-10-2026 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Grm77
you COULD just put the speed in the box and let it generate a path…..🤷‍♂️
ATC gives you a crossing restriction. Then you start down with VNAV. Then they give you a shortcut. Now you’re 3k’+ high. Could throw out speed brakes…may not be enough. Could finger bang the box by changing the speed for descent.

Or just LVL CHG and dial speed up.

Going to a small airport and there’s no STAR. ATC clears you direct to the IAF and now you’re 7k’ high. While you’re finger banging the box…I’ll go flaps 1, LVL CHG, 240 on speed.

More than 1 way to skin the cat. You do it how you want, I’ll do it the way I want. As long as we get the same result without bending metal or ending up in a OPS Day presentation….who cares?
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Old 05-10-2026 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
i’ll go flaps 1, lvl chg, 240 on speed.
🍿😁


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Old 05-10-2026 | 03:49 PM
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Flaps 2 if you’re a pro…
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Old 05-10-2026 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
Thanks for the lesson on setting up the Box Captain. What happens if the winds are off 10 knots?

Look, I'm not arguing for or against the use of VNAV or the fact that it is even required or the best choice to use in many situations. But it amazes me sometimes how afraid some pilots are to use level change or vertical speed when the situation calls for it. VNAV is not the be all/end all
Sure. Get your point but how many of the recent events were caused by guys using level change close to the ground. Have I used level change. Yes. It has its uses but when the box knows what you need to be doing and you’re above the path it’s in an idle descent anyway.

You do you boo, but I’m not going to be the next ops day event.
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