OscartheGrouch

Another reason why many are advocating for a probationary period.

OscartheGrouch

Hey Sherpa,

Thanks for the verse. Be careful though because too much of that will shut this thread down. While I certainly see how that verse pertains, I am not sure you will be able to convince many on either side to follow it.

I must thank you for coming out with a "proposal" that we can discuss besides we are going to arbitration so GET USED TO IT. While I am not going to get in to the specifics of the first AIP I believe it had some of the things you suggested. It certainly wasn't a straight staple as some would describe it and adressed some of the differences in the expected career developments that our companies and our pilot groups reflect (see my post #500). The problem is the perception of our pilot group that AT's pilots expectations are being met beyond their wildest dreams (except for the extreme element). They are leap frogging (post #500) over a pilot group who is further along in their contract achievements and their company's development. Again, not better pilots just at a different level of compensation. I will say it again, most of the AT guys we hired are fired up at the prospects of being junior to someone they used to be senior to at AT. Life ain't fair but they do have concerns.

How about DOH -1, or -2? I certainly don't have all the answers, but as I said before no compromise, no marriage.

What I really want to know in a generic form is where Deere John or the Whackmaster are on AT's seniority list and where THEY think they should be on a combined list. Take too much LUV and eventually you may come down with a disease.

The Oscar

sailingfun

The Airtran MEC had lots of legal help in looking at both their section 1 and the transition agreement. I think they are comfortable with their position after getting advice from real working labor lawyers with extensive experience in airline labor law.

GizmoNC

Latest update from ALPHA

ALPA: The Pilots Union





September 3, 2011

Today your MEC held a meeting in Atlanta, GA, the majority of which was in closed session. The main topic of discussion was how to proceed with the current seniority list integration proposal from Southwest management. The MEC decided that the seniority list was worth pursuing, and directed the Merger Committee to return to Dallas along with members of the Negotiating Committee to continue discussions toward a complete seniority integration agreement. That does not mean, however, that the pilots have something to vote on just yet. There is still a process that both sides have agreed to follow in order to get an overall package that would be suitable for pilot review.

This process is covered in the Seniority Integration Process Agreement, Section II(d). SWAPA and ALPA will each designate two members of their respective Negotiating Committees to comprise an Implementation Work Group (IWG). The IWG will negotiate an implementation schedule with the companies to include: a. Adjustment of the AirTran-ALPA CBA to reflect the compensation and benefits of the SWAPA CBA; b. Application of the SWAPA CBA to AirTran pilots; c. B717 rates of pay and work rules to be applied under the SWAPA CBA to Southwest and AirTran pilots; and d. International pay and work rules to be applied under the SWAPA CBA to Southwest and AirTran pilots.

As you can see, there is much work left to be done before a complete agreement can be submitted to the membership for ratification. Starting next week, select members of both the Merger committee and the Negotiating committee will begin talks with SWAPA and SWA to finalize the remaining sections of what will become the Seniority List Integration Agreement. Once that work is done, the agreement will be made public and there will be a road show schedule that will allow members to get clearer answers to their questions.

At this time we ask for your patience. That does not mean, however, we don’t want to hear from you. We appreciate what you’ve had to say and encourage you to continue to stay engaged. E-mail your merger-related comments and questions to [email protected], and visit atnmerger.alpa.org for the latest merger news.


In unity,

Your ATN Master Executive Council
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Clear Right

1 Seat,
I am not an AirTran pilot, so don't get so defensive. I was just pointing out the fact that your previous staple job, acquisitions of Morris and Muse or whatever you want to call them were pre Bond-McCaskill. Obviously the folks at both your companies are unwilling to compromise in any way. You obviously will not accept anything that is fair with regard to this deal. Unless it doesn't harm one single SWA pilot, nice compromise! Good Luck to you, I am just an observer, so I guess I will grab a bag of popcorn.

WHACKMASTER

Another reason why your pilot group and union are on hallucinagenic drugs. A modern day merger and these guys now want to put us on probation. ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?!

NOONE is to blame if your CULTure goes to hell but your own company and union. You had a chance to get a pilot group that were a bunch of scrappy go-getters and would have been a very valueable asset to SWA, but you completely effed that up. Tell Steve and Gary "nice going".

tsquare

PROBATIONARY?????????? Seriously? You guys have seriously lost it.

tsquare

This^^^^^^^ right^^^^^^^ here^^^^^^^^

RCD73

No. No, they're not happy with the lack of help from ALPA National. The lawyers have done exactly what you'd expect from a union that just been sued into the stone age for DFR. Absolutely nothing except mumble generalizations about possible outcomes. When this is over it's going to be a prime example of ALPA's complete lack of relevance.

By the way; There is no "Transition Agreement" that includes AirTran ALPA. Before you opine, you might want to actually do some research.

RCD73

Poke a nice dog enough and he's never going to like you. Saying that he's nasty afterward still leaves the fault with you.