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08-28-2013, 10:05 PM
#22
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Posts: 19
Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo
This is what you get when 80+% vote away your CBA rights and allow yourself to get rolled. Boo hoo for you... You did it to yourself and took me down with you.
08-29-2013, 07:21 AM
#24
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Posts: 19
Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo
Justify your lack of testicular fortitude however you must but the fact remains, we caved big time and we're suffering the consequences. No all of us had SW apps on file ya know.
I'm sure we would have been much better off voting "no," especially given the current circumstances. A long drawn out arbitration battle would have made it all better considering they are getting rid of 88 of our planes. This has been beaten to death let it go. It serves no purpose now. Now it's about enforcing our agreements not rehashing the past.
08-29-2013, 08:12 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 127
Originally Posted by Sniper
You personally may not be, but you are part of a collective group that may be able to influence the decision.
SWAPA is aware of all this. SWAPA is the current pilots operating 737's painted in SWA colors. SWAPA is you, 'Shoelu'.
SWAPA sitting on their hands is a direct reflection of the collective indifference of the current SWAPA members to the plight of the current AirTran pilots.
If this was happening to SWAPA pilots, there would be an uproar. It is happening to future SWAPA pilots, and there's not even a whimper. That's on SWAPA, and that's on all of its membership, even those members who have the courage to acknowledge the injustice of it.
SWAPA is aware of all this. SWAPA is the current pilots operating 737's painted in SWA colors. SWAPA is you, 'Shoelu'.
SWAPA sitting on their hands is a direct reflection of the collective indifference of the current SWAPA members to the plight of the current AirTran pilots.
If this was happening to SWAPA pilots, there would be an uproar. It is happening to future SWAPA pilots, and there's not even a whimper. That's on SWAPA, and that's on all of its membership, even those members who have the courage to acknowledge the injustice of it.
Well put . . . . except I think this message needs to be directed at folks other than Shoelu, who clearly understands where we're coming from.
Thanks, Shoe.
08-29-2013, 02:50 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,641
Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo
This is what you get when 80+% vote away your CBA rights and allow yourself to get rolled. Boo hoo for you... You did it to yourself and took me down with you.
08-29-2013, 02:52 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,641
Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo
Justify your lack of testicular fortitude however you must but the fact remains, we caved big time and we're suffering the consequences. No all of us had SW apps on file ya know.
08-29-2013, 08:46 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: 717 Capt.
Posts: 248
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Trying telling that last part to actual "Real SW pilots". It's inconceivable to them that not everyone wants/wanted to work at a giant regional airline.
09-01-2013, 08:49 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,001
Originally Posted by MaxPowers
Well put . . . . except I think this message needs to be directed at folks other than Shoelu . . .
None the less, 'Shoelu's fellow SWAPA pilots are not looking to be very engaged on this issue, currently. Perhaps this is being worked 'behind the scenes'?
The SLI is over. It's time to move on. The sooner the SWAPA and ALPA pilots can do this, the better it will be for all involved.
09-02-2013, 01:49 PM
#30
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Joined APC: Feb 2005
Position: B737 Captain
Posts: 323
Originally Posted by Sniper
If this was happening to SWAPA pilots, there would be an uproar.
Ironically, there are several threads on our forums regarding the whole 717 mess. The short version? We got duped. SWAPA and AT/ALPA. If the Airtran pilots knew the 717's were going away, many would have voted differently - as would many at SWAPA. Agreeing to take on 1700 pilots while jettisoning a majority of the accompanying airframes? Really?
Ironically, this may serve to galvanize the 2 groups against the real culprit. And it aint' SWAPA.
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