Here Are Your Contract Violaters
04-19-2017, 08:07 AM
#11
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Posts: 456
Originally Posted by Flytolive719
I don't know how they put themselves on the list, it's not even an option on FLICA when you have a reserve line.
04-19-2017, 08:10 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by Gunga Din
This was bound to happen. How long were we going to wait for our union to say or do something?
Oh wait... I forgot. I got the email. Always another email. I must have forgot to "read between the lines". Never mind.
Nothing illegal about this posting. I hope we get a weekly update on this list. FLL should be ashamed of their crews.
Oh wait... I forgot. I got the email. Always another email. I must have forgot to "read between the lines". Never mind.
Nothing illegal about this posting. I hope we get a weekly update on this list. FLL should be ashamed of their crews.
04-19-2017, 08:19 AM
#13
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 32
Originally Posted by WhatEverItTakes
Here are your RESERVE PILOTS WILLFULLY VIOLATING THE CONTRACT by putting themselves on Standing Available in APRIL.
CBA 25.G.7. Standing Available
There shall be a standing availability list, maintained in Crew Scheduling and accessible for pilot review, on which regular and relief pilots may place their names for open time that is available for the current or next day...
CBA 26.II. The Company shall not solicit nor accept offers from pilots to violate contractual limitations. The Company shall not enter into arrangements with individual pilots that violate the Agreement.
ALPA Constitution and Bylaws
ARTICLE VIII - HEARING AND APPEAL PROCEDURES SECTION 1 - HEARING OF MEMBERSHIP CASES
A. Any member (including any Inactive member) may be disciplined, fined, or expelled for any of the following acts:
...
(9) Acting in any manner to circumvent, defeat or interfere with collective bargaining between the Association and an employer or with existing collective bargaining agreements.
(10) Doing any act contrary to the best interests of the Association or its members.
CBA 25.K.4.i
NO RESERVE PILOT MAY BE PLACED ON THE STANDING AVAILABLE LIST
Feel free to add if you see someone was missed. Ladies & Gentleman,
WHATEVER IT TAKES.
blah blah blah blah blah
CBA 25.G.7. Standing Available
There shall be a standing availability list, maintained in Crew Scheduling and accessible for pilot review, on which regular and relief pilots may place their names for open time that is available for the current or next day...
CBA 26.II. The Company shall not solicit nor accept offers from pilots to violate contractual limitations. The Company shall not enter into arrangements with individual pilots that violate the Agreement.
ALPA Constitution and Bylaws
ARTICLE VIII - HEARING AND APPEAL PROCEDURES SECTION 1 - HEARING OF MEMBERSHIP CASES
A. Any member (including any Inactive member) may be disciplined, fined, or expelled for any of the following acts:
...
(9) Acting in any manner to circumvent, defeat or interfere with collective bargaining between the Association and an employer or with existing collective bargaining agreements.
(10) Doing any act contrary to the best interests of the Association or its members.
CBA 25.K.4.i
NO RESERVE PILOT MAY BE PLACED ON THE STANDING AVAILABLE LIST
Feel free to add if you see someone was missed. Ladies & Gentleman,
WHATEVER IT TAKES.
blah blah blah blah blah
You think this helps us get closer to a contract? By tearing ourselves apart? Management loves this stuff, keeps us fighting between ourselves. At the last pub event I attending two pilots almost came to blows. Ridiculous!
How can we expect to be paid and treated like professionals when we act like children not getting what they want?
Last edited by vagabond; 04-19-2017 at 02:31 PM. Reason: deleted names
04-19-2017, 08:23 AM
#14
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Posts: 355
Yes we do have the right to judge them. We can judge anyone about anything. We need more judging followed by shunning, not just at the airline but in society in general. I'm judging the movement in society that says I can't judge anyone as wrong. 
I'm not sure about posting the names. I have mixed feelings on that. Perhaps it is a public service and as in the case of one person already, they didn't realize they were on there so it helped them correct the situation.
I'm not sure about posting the names. I have mixed feelings on that. Perhaps it is a public service and as in the case of one person already, they didn't realize they were on there so it helped them correct the situation.
04-19-2017, 08:26 AM
#15
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Originally Posted by AllForTheWookie
I am all for standing together and singing kumbaya but this is taking to too far. Posting peoples names on a public forum is unethical and discriminatory. YOU have no idea the life circumstances of ANY of these individuals! Each person has the right to choose how they lead their lives and in NO WAY do we have the right to judge them for it. If someone wants to use their 5 JRMs or take all the phone calls, releases or MUP they are offered that is their choice.
You think this helps us get closer to a contract? By tearing ourselves apart? Management loves this stuff, keeps us fighting between ourselves. At the last pub event I attending two pilots almost came to blows. Ridiculous!
How can we expect to be paid and treated like professionals when we act like children not getting what they want?
You think this helps us get closer to a contract? By tearing ourselves apart? Management loves this stuff, keeps us fighting between ourselves. At the last pub event I attending two pilots almost came to blows. Ridiculous!
How can we expect to be paid and treated like professionals when we act like children not getting what they want?
04-19-2017, 08:28 AM
#16
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Position: A320
Posts: 694
Originally Posted by AllForTheWookie
I am all for standing together and singing kumbaya but this is taking to too far. Posting peoples names on a public forum is unethical and discriminatory. YOU have no idea the life circumstances of ANY of these individuals! Each person has the right to choose how they lead their lives and in NO WAY do we have the right to judge them for it. If someone wants to use their 5 JRMs or take all the phone calls, releases or MUP they are offered that is their choice.
You think this helps us get closer to a contract? By tearing ourselves apart? Management loves this stuff, keeps us fighting between ourselves. At the last pub event I attending two pilots almost came to blows. Ridiculous!
How can we expect to be paid and treated like professionals when we act like children not getting what they want?
You think this helps us get closer to a contract? By tearing ourselves apart? Management loves this stuff, keeps us fighting between ourselves. At the last pub event I attending two pilots almost came to blows. Ridiculous!
How can we expect to be paid and treated like professionals when we act like children not getting what they want?
04-19-2017, 08:31 AM
#17
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Posts: 3
Originally Posted by AllForTheWookie
I am all for standing together and singing kumbaya but this is taking to too far. Posting peoples names on a public forum is unethical and discriminatory. YOU have no idea the life circumstances of ANY of these individuals! Each person has the right to choose how they lead their lives and in NO WAY do we have the right to judge them for it. If someone wants to use their 5 JRMs or take all the phone calls, releases or MUP they are offered that is their choice.
You think this helps us get closer to a contract? By tearing ourselves apart? Management loves this stuff, keeps us fighting between ourselves. At the last pub event I attending two pilots almost came to blows. Ridiculous!
How can we expect to be paid and treated like professionals when we act like children not getting what they want?
You think this helps us get closer to a contract? By tearing ourselves apart? Management loves this stuff, keeps us fighting between ourselves. At the last pub event I attending two pilots almost came to blows. Ridiculous!
How can we expect to be paid and treated like professionals when we act like children not getting what they want?
You want to utilize your 2 JRMs a month, or save the day with MUP, be my guest but VIOLATING the CONTRACT should not be considered acceptable in any way, shape or form.
I Know many pilots who could absolutely use the extra cash and pass on stuff all the time because they know what its going to take here to get a contract that doesn't require contract violations to make some money.
04-19-2017, 08:32 AM
#18
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Originally Posted by 3inthegreen
Fixed it, had no idea my name was on there. Deleted it.
04-19-2017, 08:40 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by AllForTheWookie
I am all for standing together and singing kumbaya but this is taking to too far. Posting peoples names on a public forum is unethical and discriminatory. YOU have no idea the life circumstances of ANY of these individuals! Each person has the right to choose how they lead their lives and in NO WAY do we have the right to judge them for it. If someone wants to use their 5 JRMs or take all the phone calls, releases or MUP they are offered that is their choice.
You think this helps us get closer to a contract? By tearing ourselves apart? Management loves this stuff, keeps us fighting between ourselves. At the last pub event I attending two pilots almost came to blows. Ridiculous!
How can we expect to be paid and treated like professionals when we act like children not getting what they want?
You think this helps us get closer to a contract? By tearing ourselves apart? Management loves this stuff, keeps us fighting between ourselves. At the last pub event I attending two pilots almost came to blows. Ridiculous!
How can we expect to be paid and treated like professionals when we act like children not getting what they want?
It absolutely helps. If you don't like it or the other players here don't like it, get another stream of revenue going doing something else. That's what I learned a long time ago. They need me more than I need them and it's becoming more apparent everyday.
04-19-2017, 08:40 AM
#20
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Originally Posted by AllForTheWookie
I am all for standing together and singing kumbaya but this is taking to too far. Posting peoples names on a public forum is unethical and discriminatory. YOU have no idea the life circumstances of ANY of these individuals! Each person has the right to choose how they lead their lives and in NO WAY do we have the right to judge them for it. If someone wants to use their 5 JRMs or take all the phone calls, releases or MUP they are offered that is their choice.
You think this helps us get closer to a contract? By tearing ourselves apart? Management loves this stuff, keeps us fighting between ourselves. At the last pub event I attending two pilots almost came to blows. Ridiculous!
How can we expect to be paid and treated like professionals when we act like children not getting what they want?
You think this helps us get closer to a contract? By tearing ourselves apart? Management loves this stuff, keeps us fighting between ourselves. At the last pub event I attending two pilots almost came to blows. Ridiculous!
How can we expect to be paid and treated like professionals when we act like children not getting what they want?
What life circumstances? It's a union by the way and they are violating the contract not taking their 5 jrms. On rsv and on the standing avail list. Sometimes it takes a little peer pressure to get unified. It's not divisive imo, it's tough love.
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