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Old 04-30-2017 | 06:57 PM
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I can't wrap my head around our CEO's comments given he must know we read these transcripts and pay attention. He must not give a crap and wants us to know how little he thinks of us. He has no interest in taking care of us yet would ask that we go the extra mile to take care of the airline and the customers.

Bendo should seriously consider taking this high five program and shoving it up his johno.

I thought my morale had hit bottom after the "low tier" comments and the obvious stalling at the negotiations table. After this comment my morale has hit a new low.

The only thing that gives me any hope is the spark of unity that I am starting to see around campus. It's nice and I look forward to taking this thing all the way to what we deserve in our new contract.
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Old 04-30-2017 | 07:08 PM
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I can't imagine the union giving us a contract to vote on that was cost neutral. This is going to be a long long process which will inevitably end with a strike. What worries me is we presented them with an industry average contract leaving us no room to negotiate except down and us ending up behind again. This makes me worry that the union thinks we have no chance of getting a similar contract to everyone else.
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Old 04-30-2017 | 07:21 PM
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Ask needs to go up with AA getting mid cycle raises
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Old 04-30-2017 | 07:47 PM
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It needs to go up from industry standard to industry leading so we can end up at industry standard. Right now.....who knows.
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Old 04-30-2017 | 08:16 PM
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Strike vote now!
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Old 04-30-2017 | 08:23 PM
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What did you expect him to say? to investors nonetheless," Geez I wanna add $200 million to the bottom line totaling, $800 over the next 4 years?? They WILL pay us because the market dictates it.. but if you think he's gonna tell wall street he wants to add $800 million to the bottom line just because he appreciates us and rather pay us than keep that as profit.... then its you that is detached from reality
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Old 04-30-2017 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by beech_nut
What worries me is we presented them with an industry average contract leaving us no room to negotiate except down and us ending up behind again. This makes me worry that the union thinks we have no chance of getting a similar contract to everyone else.
A couple of points;

First, if you start at industry average being one of the most profitable airlines there's no rational reason to settle for lower. Period. End of discussion. And I believe that's our negotiating committees belief as well. And while I won't voice what I will vote for, the NC knows, their ask reflects it.

Secondly, you can't rationally demand in mediation a compensation package outside the "zone of agreeableness ".... It sounds asinine, but if we did that, we'd look the fool and damage our case for a release....

Thirdly, this isn't a car purchase where you ask low expecting to meet in the middle (as management is hoping with their offer). One must have a rational and justified case for their proposal and ALPA EFA has proven that our ask isn't only reasonable, it is sustainable. There is no reason to move off of it. If they do (which is entirely possible) other numbers will change as well. Don't get wrapped up around a singular number but rather look at the entire thing.
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Old 04-30-2017 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Ask needs to go up with AA getting mid cycle raises


Hell ya it does
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Old 04-30-2017 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002
What did you expect him to say? to investors nonetheless," Geez I wanna add $200 million to the bottom line totaling, $800 over the next 4 years?? They WILL pay us because the market dictates it.. but if you think he's gonna tell wall street he wants to add $800 million to the bottom line just because he appreciates us and rather pay us than keep that as profit.... then its you that is detached from reality


Being paid 7 million a year I would expect him to not step on his d*ck everytime he talks about his employees
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Old 04-30-2017 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Strike vote now!

Ok- so when our negotiators go to the NMB to give a status update on May 11 and Linda Puchala asks why we have taken a strike vote on the company's very first pass, what do you expect them to say? How do they justify it?

We'll look like a bunch of petulant children rather than professional aviators.

I have faith in my union, leadership, and negotiators. We need to be the adults in the room even when management isn't.

Let Bendover explain why he had a sudden case of Jury Duty at the last minute and couldn't attend bargaining on more than one occasion. For us, let's stay the course, focus, follow our union's lead and get the deal we all deserve. It's a marathon, not a sprint. And to get to the end game of a deal or a release, we have to play the game better, because it's rigged against us from the start.
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