There seems to be no shortage of great legal minds lately on these forums and chats.

However, there's only one legal mind that counts, that's the judge we get if this goes to court.

You sound absolutely terrified! You gonna be ok? We're here for you and it's gonna be fine.

Amazing. Company calls us Low Tier, says we are getting cost neutral contract, drags this on for years, F--- up Red/Green, doesn't hire enough guys (hired guys who can't complete training) and **** falls apart like we've been saying and it's now our fault because of a website? YGTBSM.

FUPM.

This is not the Pilots doing, this falls on Mnanagement

This..................

I owe you some beers amigo

I think the red green thing was intentional this month. They knew they didnt have the staffing to get by and hoped they could "screw it up" and not get relief demanded from the union and force people to work and not drop days into open time. It back fired like everything else they do.

It's very telling when someone has to resort to ad hominems.

If you want to make your case, point to a time when this kind of work action has succeeded. There's plenty of times it hasn't (AA 1999, UA 2000, DL 2001).

This is not a work action. Period.

This is not a work action. This company has a history of having meltdowns every May, June, July, November, December, January. The airline is understaffed in the SOC, at the airports, and on the line. This is the result of management pinching pennies.

What the #$% are you smoking, dude?

Which gets back to the question you couldn't answer. Point to a time when this kind of work action has succeeded.

Everyone I know has been at work as scheduled.

Not answering your phone on a GDO is NOT a work action.

It is when the group as a whole changes their behaviour in a way that is detrimental to the company. Unless your personal opinion actually matters in court - I suspect it doesn't.

I'm in the middle of 10 days off in a row. They called around 6am Saturday morning, but I didn't hear it. I haven't had a call since.

It's summer time. The wx is getting nice. Days off become more valuable than in say February.

Block hours went up and attrition went up and spare airplanes are parked with covers on the engines and some bad wx rolled through some key cites last week with no planes or empty seats to pick up the slack. This is a product of that not a work action. We've seen this before here.

[QUOTE=Qotsaautopilot;2360410]Everyone I know has been at work as scheduled.[/QUOTE


Exactly, can't force guys to work on days off..

For somebody else to decide but your management's argument appears to be something like, "We can statistically show that prior to threats being made by other pilots, we had X amount of people picking up trips and answering phones....now after this action, they don't pick up anymore."

I agree I don't know how a judge can get inside one's head about when they prefer to stay home and play golf vs go out and work.

Was off several days in a row, exactly zero calls. What work action? This was deliberate on the company's part. We should sue them for work action :p

I emailed my evidence of no calls on days off to the union folks, as should you . Don't forget a screenshot of your schedule showing the days off.

The MEC is looking for proof that they didn't call everyone, please email the MEC and tell them.

I agree, we should counter-sue. Their incompetence caused a meltdown, and it would have happened without APC or the SPACHOKER's website.

I hate to do it, but I'm gonna start applying the the big 3 and Fed Ex and UPS. It's just going to get worse around here.

If you've been off for multiple days in a row during this meltdown and have not received a single call from scheduling, make sure you get in touch with your ALPA rep. They would very much like to hear from you.

There should be a counter suit.

Pilots (even en-mass) who decide to all of a sudden not pick up open time cannot determine causality for a work action.

The weather is getting nicer, people value their time off more during this period of the year, or whatever you else you can think of.

The company is filing their lawsuit based on a false dichotomy: "Pilots aren't picking up open time as much, therefore job action." When you challenge the premise, there is no longer any argument. Any intelligent judge should be able to see this.

Scumbags.

Time will tell.
Hopefully they can't prove or don't sue for damages.
AA was awarded 45 million from the APA. More than the union could afford.
Nearly half was paid back and the balance forgiven in the form of new contract concessions.
Best of luck.

Not a Spirit guy, but support you guys 100%. We (ABX Pilots) were sued last fall by the company for not flying on days off. The judge ruled in our favor on that one. We were never instructed by anyone in our union not to fly overtime.

We weren't instructed that we had to fly overtime either as I understand it, only that there couldn't be a concerted effort to not fly overtime.

One does not have to fly overtime, one simply may not suggest that others not fly overtime. If the majority of pilots happen to come to the same personal conclusion (whatever that may be), then it is coincidental, and not the fault of the union or those members that have reached said conclusion of their own volition.

As I see it, it's a bunch of posts by random people hiding behind screen names.

"Internet toughguys," "Keyboard Warriors," "Trolls." Just a few names they can be called. Can a lawsuit be won against Internet Trolls?

How do we know that it was indeed a Spirit pilot and not a member of management laying the seeds for this mess??

According to a pilot friend over there, the geniuses on some WhatsApp chat groups help put they theory to rest with their direct harassment and intimidating comments being broadcasted regarding those picking up open time. Just the little that I was told sounded pretty bad.

I really hope you guys won't suffer too much due to the actions of a few absolute bone heads. Your pilot group deserves better than this.

I hope the fact that your scumbag management has publicly blamed a majority of your cancellations on "weather" crosses the judges bench... what a joke. Vote of no confidence on these scum bags.

For anyone to think there is anonymity on the internet is a joke. Any such post can be distilled and positively identified.

For the Spirit pilot's benefit, I hope that many of the inflammatory posts are from strangers. An interesting twist in the TRO is that it's levied against all ALPA represented pilots. That may or may not be an over site.

Of course. And we all know that. Yet internet trolls still exist, even on APC. (Shocking, I know.)

Here's the difference: And please correct me if I'm wrong.

These past campaigns that are mentioned in the same breath as our "alleged" campaign... These were not done on Social Media. These "harassments" had to be done IN PERSON! In the crew rooms, in the jetways, in the terminal. TO YOUR FACE! AirlinePilotCentral, Whatsapp, etc, did not exist to give the Trolls the ability to harass others from their computers.

I don't see how a message board, which anyone can join, anyone can post, and anyone can troll, pilot or not, can be held to the same standards.

I forget what union was involved but in one of "campaigns " all the company had to do was show that pilots had not been picking up open time at the same rate the company was historically accustom with . Court found that the union was in violation for whats called "status ".
FYI the only underground movement I have ever seen really work was NWA's BOB. BOB was an acronym for Block or Better. Jr guys started it, flew and taxied around real slow..Got management attention for sure .It was all word of mouth.

It certainly was in the case of Delta. Emails and message board posts were the companies prime evidence. The judge did agree the no overtime campaign was not union sponsored in any way but ruled the union had a duty to control its membership.

The underlying message is that if ALPA can't or won't control its members, the court will give the company the ability to do so (i.e. terminations).