SPA Chokers Website
 

Looks like someone likes to do some web design with their extra time...

spachokers.com

Seems its already making the rounds within the pilot group..

And FYI...im the messenger, did not create this site. Although I do approve!

Great, now hear the excuses, but but but, the contract, my five JAs, my family, my my my.....

Instr L.B. Was a huge gravy man last contract also. Definitely a selfish all me type of guy.

Do you want an injunction? Because that's how you get an injunction. Just ask United, they sued ALPA and those pilots personally who harassed guys for picking up open time.

Love it! Screen shot!

The union needs to take care of the nutjob who put up this site. Until I hear from a rep regarding this "out of control" behavior, I'm putting myself on the standing available list and will accept every JA offerred. Those of you who know me, know where I stand. This nutjob does not speak for me and I hope the pilot group. I'm praying for some serious intervention as well as an industry standard contract. God Bless all of the hard working Spirit pilots. Brent

Way to be a team player. No where in our cba does it say we need to pick up opentime or required to work overtime. The company has a staffing issue, and why wouldn't they? They are trying to grow and our contract is so horrible pay wise no one wants to work for nothing. This is a result of a ****ed off pilot group! Bob continues to insult us with comments such as, low tier employees, cost neutral, or cut costs when our profit margins are significantly higher than our competitors. I did not make the website but some seem need a reality check. Bob wants to improve service, reliability, and improve our brand. Good luck doing that with a bunch of pilots flying their line. I suggest you get on board Brent! When contract negotiations go well beyond what it should, stand in front of your mirror and say I helped he company prolong this even longer and give yourself a high five! Give me a break.

The union just sent an email. Are you gonna take yourself off the list now?

What? Don't like it then express that but your comments put you on every list out right now.
Why would you go against the effort of so many who are trying to put the burden on the rightful owner of poor performance and questionable reliability? Why? Your yellow suit only got you the job and if you want to be a respected SPA pilot get with the collective and stop helping.

What email are you talking about? The one I saw said, in effect, "don't screw this up for the MEC and negotiating committee".

Not sure you really understood what that email said.

Freedom of speech is the right to articulate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship, or societal sanction.[1][2][3][4] The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

So when they offer you more jrm trips than the contract allows, which they have done in the past, you're going to accept?

Also known as Exhibit A in the request for TRO against your MEC for violating laboratory conditions. If whoever posted that site is a union member, they just made getting a contract more difficult for every Spirit pilot.

He said he wanted condemnation from the union about it.

Obviously never worked at a 135/121 operator before and never have been through contract negotiations. Clueless.

The latest email doesn't do that. It actually says not to harass anyone doing it. Not sure what message you're reading.

Kind of what I was thinking. He should ask the guys at AA how they are achieving mid-contract raises. The email is just our MEC covering their behinds. They wanted to go at the negotiations process alone, and believe the folks of the NMB can influence the company more than we can. The company holds the purse, we hold the thrust levers.

You posted all that info why?

Been wondering all morning what the Text Street was. Thanks.


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I don't think we're reading yellow suit guy's post the same way. It seemed to me he was saying that until the union condemned the shaming he was going to pick up every junior assignment available. His words were "Until I hear from a rep regarding this "out of control" behavior, I'm putting myself on the standing available list and will accept every JA offerred."

Didn't make much since, but that's why I asked the question.

I read it. I thought he was talking about unless the union said something about not picking up open time he was gonna continue. But now I'm not sure.

I just edited my post above. I'm not really sure either, maybe the individual in question can offer some clarity.

She's trying to be a hacker. Lol "[email protected]".

Because I want everyone listed on this public shaming site to call godaddy's abuse line/email and demand this site be taken down and to find out who is public shaming the fellow pilots. A hidden proxy domain at $7.99 a year is not going to stop people from getting the real registration of this website. A fair warning to whoever put this site up are you really ready to risk your career over this? I don't believe in public shaming and this only divides.

You can rest assured someone on that list will file a law suit over this.

Anything noticeably different the company can prove in pilot actions before negotiations vs during can be construed as an illegal job action.

Don't take my word for it. Look up the case law.

This is true and it's been brought up here and through the union before. This behavior absolutely does not help us, the wackos on here are going to do nothing but hurt us.

This by far does more harm then every pilot picking up open time. The NC said stop so stop. At this point you are blatantly hindering negotiations.

Because he's on the list?

Looks like it's down. Good riddance.

Of course they will, they have already displayed how greedy and selfish they are, of course they are going to go for a lawsuit. POS

You just have to know where to look. It's never actually gone!

1.) File a law suit? For what? Publishing facts? The names on that list were fairly accurate from just quickly looking it over.

2.) As far as I can tell the lack of motivation to answer the phone directly correlates to Bobby calling for a "cost neutral or cheaper contract."

Or the fact that when our negotiations committee gave our proposal to the company, we were told that we are not worth what we are asking for but instead in return given a concessionary counter proposal.

Or maybe it's the notion of trying to shame/intimidate your fellow pilots into a work slow down or illegal job action? Forget the feelings of the pilots on the list, as I am sure your negotiators are thrilled to have to face the company that is now armed with probably a fair amount of information/screen shots of guys encouraging a slow down and harassing those that aren't "cooperating". I'm not even a Spirit pilot and I'm hearing some absolutely stupid things being posted on chat groups under pilots full names...

I really do want you guys to get an industry leading contract, but do it with the least amount of casualties as a result of trying to intimidate guys into a slow down. Look at how that worked for us at United several
years back. Spoiler alert, we didn't prevail.

I'm not going to post exact verbiage on this website but the use of the word "w hores" may lead someone to want to sue. Bad idea (anything that potentially gives management any ammo only hurts the group in my opinion) .... But even worse execution.

It went beyond "Publishing Facts." It posted personal information, "Million dollar house," name calling, "whorse" and slander "Don't care about you or your family."

Yet even if it were strictly Facts, it's still not cool. Everything said above applies: dischord, paper (electronic) trail, personal attacks.

Bottom line, every pilot is allowed to Fly The Contract.

(But you won't see me on my days off.)

Real problem is when you have a pilot get 160 credit plus a month equals one captain position. You are directly screwing a guy out of the left seat. Do the math it's a professional insult to call it anything else! It's not his right to fly 200 credit hours a month. Deal are being cut and this crap needs to end. This group has been beat down so much it's the norm to say it's ok.

As far as I'm concerned, up until that website was published this mess was on the company. Now it's on the pilots.

Some of the pilots on that website walked the picket line the last go around. You may not like this contract today, but it was hard fought. Picking up opentime is allowed by the contract. No one should end up on a "list" because of it.

It was a pretty immature stunt, and may be costly too.

I take direction from the MEC, not from some rogue pilot.

They told the passengers it was wx to not have to compensate. If that's what they say that's what they have to own.

Btw some pilots also picked up during furlough. It was contractually legal but that doesn't make it right.