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Be careful. It's getting violent out there due to all the cancelations and the passengers are now under the assumption it's because of us.

From what I understand FLL had a riot last night, and it could have easily turned into a MOB of angry passengers attacking our crews.

Be careful

Divide and conquer. Turn the other work groups and passengers against us. Now this is the only explanation the agents will give for why the flight is delayed or cancelled. Sounds reckless to me.

Bob has a long record of wreck less comments......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagsh...es_Flight_3379

AMR Eagle Flagship was furloughing and Executive was hiring to fly out of the same base. Pilots were not allowed to transfer between companies w/in Eagle even though new hires were using the same operations as crew members on a furlough list. Us Miami crewmembers were TDY in RDU to cover staffing issues. Cockpits were full of anxious union/management conversations.

I had flown GSO RDU that afternoon and saw Matt Sailor, my roommate in Florida, in operations. We arranged to meet up later that night in our TDY hotel. I was at the Doubletree waiting for him on December 13th, with a Sam Adams for him and myself at the bar. Matt's dad was a retiring NWA 747 captain, and he had lived his whole life pursuing his dream. The crew were distracted discussing the uncertain nature of their long pursued career. I believe that people in leadership at AMR now hold leadership roles at other airlines currently experiencing similar challenges.

Stay focused.

time for all spirit management to stepdown and resign..

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/police-cal...opstories.html

Stock down 4% already

I don't see there being a more perfect day to call for a vote of no confidence in your management!

Just noticed bob' s email about the injunction was removed from my company email overnight.

38 cancellations today and showing 42 for tomorrow. Not a single call.

Thank god for screenshots!

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You guys got them by the balls. Let their mismanagement implode the airline. It's not your faults. Hopefully some heads will roll once this passes.

I can't believe they have to nerve to blame you guys.... LOL The media needs to show the public who this management really is and that the CEO is scum so he is to embarrassed to go out to dinner in public.

illegal job action????

What are they classifying illegal? Not answering your phone for vja? Not picking up open time?

Are they claiming you are participating in anything non standard?

From the injunction, it appears they are focusing on the threats to those who do

Not even my airline, but reading the crap spewed by Spirit management makes me seethe. Stay strong and united; just as you did last round.

So far the dumbass media (again typical) is buying into reports that this is all on the pilots! My wife was just watching "the talk" (some real brain power on this show). They first showed a clip of the mini riot followed by their disgust of the pilots. Mrs osbourne: "if they want to stop working, fine but at least tell the customers in advance"!! Then one of the other geniuses: "they should show this video (the mini-riot) to the pilots.....then I wonder how they would feel"!

I sure hope ALPA gets they're say with the media and hopefully make them understand the core root of the problem here.

That'd be great, then we could sue the company for creating this unsafe work environment!

TRO issued. Lovely.

Time for ALPA to reply though media to management's false accusations?

It's fake news. Our president is right.

You guys may be in trouble. It seems as though this very Airline Pilot Central Forum has current threads discussing pressuring fellow pilots not to pick up open time.

That is illegal.

You have every right to not pick up open time. Even discussing trying to keep coworkers from doing it is really bad news. See below.

You guys may be able to argue that it is an imposter, not an actual Spirit pilot posting stuff like below, but otherwise the law is not on your side.

Why do people keep writing things like this online, in an easily recorded and archived forum? Do you not understand what is legal and effective and what isn't? Is there anyone not aware that anything written online can come back to haunt them?

I post this as a fellow-other airline pilot-who would like to see the entire pilot profession gain ground.

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And 610 TPA-FLL gets the life jacket thanks to A.K. (Fll ca) well done, 1:45 minutes late, but well done.

Funny thing is, I've personally heard him say how much he wants to get pay like a Delta 320 CA.

Call him and have a conversation with him.

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Lmao...Nothing... Throwing guys names on here that haven't broken any contractual language is BS... Unless we are furloughing, striking, or not growing you can fly all u want..
As if you don't complain about the company stalling, underpaying you and undermining you, go above and beyond the contract ca America. So... your co-workers are little Bchs now? Look in the mirror for helping this management., who's the little Bch? I posted nobody's name, only if you do a little research you'll be able to find out who flew that leg.
Apparently you are ok with picking up trips, accepting JAs and doing favors during OPEN CONTRACT negotiations, I understand that is with in the contract to do so, but it isn't the right thing to do.
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Rereading this is making me feel like it's a bit harsh, but I'm disappointed with the lack of foresight from the group.

If I wanted to present a firm negotiating front to the company, I would discuss not picking up open time with my fellow pilots in a quiet side conversation or over the phone. It seems like a ridiculous way to undermine your own position by doing it in a public forum.

Not trying to be dramatic but based on the FLL happenings I think this may have already become a safety issue for us.

So who feels safe going to work now that our CEO has personally blamed all of us for their screw up? How do I explain to an angry mob that I've been at work as scheduled every day since this mess began? You cannot is the answer and this puts us all at risk given the national attention this has gotten along with the tag that the pilots caused it.

We get emails on how to de-escalate and then they just go ahead and escalate it for us to the point of making it a safety issue.

I want some acknowledgement of this and some damage control implemented post haste. You simply cannot blame a work group that is on the front line with the customer as the reason why that customer was wronged. It's reckless and irresponsible and dangerous. The other issue is that it's most likely irreparable. Apologies and redactions don't gain the national attention in our 24hr news and social media cycle like a good fight and blame game does.

Pure class Bob, pure class.

I've ALREADY gotten "thanks for actually coming to work" from people. Yeah okay... we never WEREN'T going to work. If people aren't picking up open time it doesn't mean they're "skipping" work. Quite annoying that people believe it all.

I got four of those this morning.

And still, my phone never rang, not once, during this "crisis".

And we've got 51 cancellations tomorrow already. Seems like the company isn't trying to hard to get on track.

So how many flights a day do you guys have and about how many CXs
have they been averaging daily?

According to Flight aware we have been canceling between 40-60 a day. I want say that's 10-15%

I would estimate around 450 flights a day today we cancelled 61 and they say that is 13%. Tomorrow we have 50 cancelled so far and they are saying that is 10%. The irony is alot of us are not even getting calls to try and cover these flights.

Copied and pasted from my post on "Spirit of NKS"

All I know is that everybody better watch their tongues in the terminal for the foreseeable future. I predict lots of people, both passengers and non-pilot Spirit employees are going to have a lot of comments.

Call me paranoid, but I plan on having my phone on as a recording device when I'm walking through the terminal and at the gate. There have been too many incidences of violence recently and I want to be able to prove that it was nothing that I said.

We all know the company will not have our backs should anything happen.

Gate agents, customers and others are saying in a dimeaning sarcastic way that we (the pilots) should stop our work action and show up for work. Do our job, Stop the strike, be professional, etc. The workplace is now hostile, threatening and unsafe to pilots due to the lies told to the press, the judge and the public. In addition scheduling has rarely called about picking up open time trips.

Didn't a SWA pilot successfully sue his employer for creating a hostile work place for him? I believe he was awarded several million dollars and actually still works there.
Btw, I still haven't been called by crew scheduling even though we had 60 plus cancellations yesterday and already many today.

I believe it was the cptn on the "granny's, grandes, and gays" flight. The company let his identity slip and he started getting harassed by fellow employees (you can probably figure out what sexual orientation they were), so yes I believe he sued SWA for hostile work environment. Of course, that's after his wife left him for basically admitting on the frequency that he chased skirt at work.

60 cancellations?! Is the number just going up and up everyday?

Btw, I was on an extended strike at another carrier years ago. Do not expect to make new friends with any of your nonpilot coworkers and as a matter of fact, don't be surprised if you lose a friend over the tension that you guys have at work. IT DOESN'T MATTER! You're all totally in the right over this. Hang in there and don't let your management's mismanagement be your fault. I'm assuming the FAs are being pretty supportive of the pilots at least, right?

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I just went back and listened to the audio of that. Makes me roll for a solid five minutes every time. Hahahahha. If he got a settlement and is back at work then that's the Icing on the cake.

Every time I say some wild stuff to my coworker I always look down at the radio bc of this incident.

Well, he also got a divorce over it and I'm sure it was tons of stress going through everything. Overall, he seemed to do okay in the end it seems. Maybe the settlement will pay for his divorce? :D