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AllOva736 05-31-2017 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by RonnyK320 (Post 2371676)
Is your email working? I've gotten a ton of email from ALPA national, my LEC, and our MEC in the past few week. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Yeah I got a few emails from them this week to include info about a few CA's and an email that said look guys, the motley fool notices that we are in the right on this one. Nothing else that is worth much has come from them as far as I know. Like I said before, I personally think they know something that we don't and are silent for a reason. You know as far as real information goes, things have been pretty quiet lately. No info about plans, no info regarding negotiations this month etc. I stand by them and believe they have a plan but I'm still concerned about lack of info.

Lemonade 05-31-2017 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by Flyondawall (Post 2372026)
Have you taken the time to talk to a rep, maybe read your email or go to a pub event? Maybe even call the ALPA attorneys?
You are clueless dude.

You are the clueless ones. Do you think the MEC is lying when they say to make the company work? Why did they roll over and allow the TRO to become permanent? They're scared, they need to resign!

Balder 05-31-2017 04:04 PM

Lemonade, where have you been all this time?
Not sure anybody is scared, they are just a LOT smarter than you...
What you are proposing would be the absolute DUMMEST thing we could do at this time.

Planepirate 06-01-2017 04:20 AM


Originally Posted by Balder (Post 2372149)
Lemonade, where have you been all this time?
Not sure anybody is scared, they are just a LOT smarter than you...
What you are proposing would be the absolute DUMMEST thing we could do at this time.

You aren't going to convince him. It is impossible to reason with the unreasonable.

But we should all be scared. Our fly-by-night management team has painted themselves in a corner. There is a huge pilot staffing issue and an even larger pilot shortage on the horizon. It is only going to get worse if something isn't done soon to make this a place people where want to work.

Balder 06-01-2017 06:00 AM

Agree with that. But this is not the first time Spirit has created a crisis for themselves.
It always seems to take a little bit of time before CEO/board realize how something they are doing is untenable.

Balder 06-01-2017 06:14 AM

So let's not be scared, let's be MAD!!
At Bendo and his management team primarily. They are most likely misrepresenting facts to Fornaro and the board in the similar way they have misrepresented facts to the judge.

Flyondawall 06-01-2017 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by Planepirate (Post 2372353)
You aren't going to convince him. It is impossible to reason with the unreasonable.

But we should all be scared. Our fly-by-night management team has painted themselves in a corner. There is a huge pilot staffing issue and an even larger pilot shortage on the horizon. It is only going to get worse if something isn't done soon to make this a place people where want to work.

It won't be fixed either unless we get a contract. When regional F/O's are making more than first and second year Spirit F/O's, why would anyone come here? Management has turned this place into a stinking cesspool.
If management thinks for one second that suing the association for staffing issues is going to help them, they will only magnify the situation. Most of us here are tired, worn out fixing the daily issues here. Management says they want a contract that reflects the size of airline we are growing into? I want a management group that is capable of managing an airline. Obviously we are at a point that this management group is way over their collective heads. No confidence in this management and I would love for the BOD to know how inept they are.
I'm out of this place as soon as I can be.

Shrek 06-02-2017 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by Balder (Post 2372149)
Lemonade, where have you been all this time?
Not sure anybody is scared, they are just a LOT smarter than you...
What you are proposing would be the absolute DUMMEST thing we could do at this time.

DUMMEST.........BWAHAHAH :eek:

gringo 06-02-2017 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by Flyondawall (Post 2372648)
I want a management group that is capable of managing an airline.

Quote of the day right there.

Av viii 06-02-2017 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Lemonade (Post 2371586)
...Time for all the LEC Reps to step down.

They're lame ducks, we need strong leaders to dig out this mess.

How does this happen? I assume we'd have to put it up for a vote and these guys aren't going to let that happen easily. Do you know the bylaws?

This could have some legs. I am also tired of the endless capitulation.


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