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They never offered me too.

Without that and a a nominal raise paid for by for by work rules you'll never catch up. Constantly towing the anchor.

It's too late for me too now. They could've offered that when united did but they chose not to. We have proven our reasonableness. Management proved they were unreasonable in 2008-2010 and they are doing it again. They are the ones making the huge mistake I assure you

Wrong on multiple levels but it is interesting how you are bothered by us trying to achieve reaching Industry Standard. It's like the rednecks who supported slavery even though they could never afford one, as long as they are "better than someone". Pretty fng sad......

Totally agree. How does this kind of talk help anyone, except management?

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You know what else doesn't help anyone? Going to work for a company that you openly admit pays half the prevailing wage since at least 2013. Under cutting your ALPA brothers and sisters. You were willing to work subpar wages when you took the job and now it's all of a sudden no no?

Hey, I guess ain't nothing wrong with going to work for Norwegian either making 10K/month as an 787 CA either as long as you complain about how you should be paid more.

When Spirit Pilots signed their contract Airways TOP AIRBUS PAY was $125/hr., CALs first year pay was $29/hr with no healthcare........

Try again

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I guess you missed the SINCE 2013 part. Half the current Spirit pilots chose to work for 30-60% less than the pilots flying similar equipment at the legacies and SWA, you know, the ones you keep saying are your peers.

I mean, is that a gross exaggeration on my part?

I'll leave this to my Reps at the table, advised by some of the smartest minds in the game.

Oh well. I view him/her as a special kind of short bus rider anyhow. Most of the posts written have "I think....." or similar, meaning it's just an opinion and not an analysis with critical thinking backing up any claims. Even DB's are entitled to their own opinions, even if they offer a conjecture devoid of facts.

How about you try again. CALs first year pay was that but look at the rest of the annual pay scals in that contract. Look at all the soft money and retirement. I love how certain folks at Spirit compare one piece of a contract and say hey we were great at one time. That place was never great and will never be great thats just the facts of being at a ULCC especially one ran by Bendo. Will you get a raise? For sure. Will it be withen 35% of a legacy pay package as a whole? Absolutely Not. Every pilot in at least the last 5 years hired at Spirit has no room to talk. They knew the pay when they were hired and how it stacked up to others flying the same routes and equipment. I agree with what the other poster said above. You guys are willing to fly the same equipment for less and have undercut the rest of the industry in the process. You are doing the same thing in many ways as Norweigan just on a domestic scale. One of the biggest reasons Spirit is able to staff is bc of their willingness to hire folks that are not competive to be hired at a major. I see a tone of 2,800-3,200 hour pilots with no turbine PIC getting hired. These youngsters are trying to jump the line instead of staying and upgrading at a regional. I know many of them and going to Spirit has become a big mistake and they will tell you that. I also know a bunch went to Spirit bc their "gremlins in the closet" wont let them get hired at a major.

Haha yeh UPS first year pay was 38/Hr until about a year ago so was Spirit on par with them also

You lost me at 'tone'

Maybe he meant 'tonne'?

Another brand new poster who has a grand total of 13 posts comes out of the woodwork to tell us that we are undercutting the industry. Trying to manage our expectations. Thx for your input beans, but if you knew this group, you would realize that we are not undercutting the industry. We are ready to walk, if released, in order to have that industry standard that you hold as above our status. What dig do you have in the fight? Or, are you just another troll?

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Completely fng wrong. CALS previous contract was complete ****. Spirit Pilots went on strike, to compare them to NAI is offensive.

Which US airline has the highest amount of SCABS? You guess it, UAL/CAL so GFY

Keep telling yourself that you were on par with "those guys" years ago and you will see a similar "on par" but in reality well below par TA voted in. Remember Spirit has done a lot of hiring the last 4 years and most of those guys are going to take the quick buck bc they arent planing on staying for a career. Once again all these dudes/chicks hired especially in the past 4 years knew the pay and still jumped in. This staffed the growth and Spirit then dug its own pay deficiancy grave. Hell look they will "flow" pilots in now from the regionals and staff from that as well. You chose your airline now you have to live with your choice!

This post right here shows how clueless you really are in regards to this industry. Every fng airline has a "flow", you think thats a Spirit only thing?, lol. Get a clue and once again GFY.

PS. Funny how you joined APC during our Meltdown, right after TRO.....

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I love it when some troll comes up from under the bridge and says that Spirit pilots are under qualified or can't go anywhere else. I doubt that your airline's pilots are all sr71 typed. Just because you know a "tone" that have come here, you think that you know most of us. You don't. Correcting someone's misconception is one thing but don't disparage a whole pilot group based on the minority.
What really p!sses me off is when one of our own does it. Don't crap where you eat.

You have no clue. It's up to the NC to hand us a TA not some low time short timer. The NC guys will only put out a TA that meets the pilot group standards which was identified in the surveys. The NC guys are longtime Spirit pilots that see this as a long term career destination and is not here to serve the the incoming time builders which will get a type and move on. This can be the next SWA with the right contract like we all came here for. The flow is a joke to most. A contract will once again fix the hiring issue.

Do you honestly believe that Spirit can be the next "Southwest" ?!

Not with this *******ing joke of a management team!

Could be... Depends on many things, but actually could be... Profitable and a great place to work! We shall see soon enough...

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Easy on the rocks inside your glass house fella. I heard an AMERICAN call sign in LAX this week with an accent thicker than Air China. Even LAX ground couldn't understand what they were asking for. I expect to be paid at an English proficient level or this place can burn.

No, not with the current management kicking all of their labor groups and customers in the face. I could be, but it won't be.

Eagle SJU based flow pilot.

It's bendo's playbook. The more people understand that the better.

Cannot be stressed enough. He hates every single one of us and our families. He cares only of himself. He doesn't even care about the shareholders. Spirit is just a host until he can go poison another airline.

Honest question. Why are people sticking around at Spirit. If you were hired in the past 5 years you know you sighned up for a trash Airline. You now also know it wont get better soon. Why are you doing this in this hiring enviroment? It pains me to see people hang on expecting its going to be United, SW or Delta in the future. Just why?

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Honest question. Why are you following and posting on this thread? It pains me to read your posts. Just why?

For the retro!!

Honest question. Why do you insist on quoting trolls? It pains me to read their posts quoted in your post. Just why?

Please child! Some of us have been getting paid for flying airplanes for over 30 years. Three bankruptcies at these various airlines with a furlough thrown in plus 9-11 and age 65 makes Spirit the last stop for us. I don't want to add anymore old uniforms to my closet.

A trash airline doesn't have a 19% profit margin. A trash airline doesn't continue to receive brand new Airbus aircraft monthly. A trash airline doesn't have a billion dollars sitting in the bank.

No. We don't believe this is a legacy but we do know the pilots at Spirit deserve better and will remain unified until it is better. This will probably be my last contract and I'm all in to seeing all my fellow pilots prosper from the conclusion of this process.

I believe your pain from seeing this is that you can't or won't move on to what you believe is a better place to work. If you have then move on and leave this pain behind.

If you're not with us then you're against us. Maybe I'll see you on the picket line soon. Time to get the war chest ready!

I'd go to work for Allegiant before I'd take a job at United, I have no interest in commuting to Atlanta or Salt Lake for the next 32 years, and I think everyone at NK has applied to WN. A decent contract or an offer at Southwest, I'll take the first one that comes along.

Why would you commute to Atlanta for United?

Because United is buying Delta next month.

Nevermind I forgot about that merger :-)