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Originally Posted by Feng
(Post 2423920)
Oh, and here I thought I heard rumblings about how an airbus pilot is an airbus pilot is an airbus pilot regardless which airline you work for. And I didn't know an "out dated" labor contract removes an airline from the airline industry.
I'm so glad there are good folks on here to educate me. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Feng
(Post 2423920)
Oh, and here I thought I heard rumblings about how an airbus pilot is an airbus pilot is an airbus pilot regardless which airline you work for. And I didn't know an "out dated" labor contract removes an airline from the airline industry.
I'm so glad there are good folks on here to educate me. F9 is a BK contract so No sense in mentionig them |
Originally Posted by Chimpy
(Post 2423809)
*than
Sorry, lol |
Originally Posted by Feng
(Post 2423891)
Yes, industry standard. But picking the three or four airlines with the best compensation out of the 15+ out there and then averaging their compensation, and then calling it an industry standard, does not actually make it industry standard. Surely you see that right?
Delta United American Alaska/Virgin (actively negotiating and will see an arbitrated contract in a month so we are making assumptions on what they will get) Jetblue (actively negotiating so again we are not going to use current compensation but make the assumption they will secure large raises as they've historically been close to the legacies) Not included: Frontier (bankruptcy contract and actively negotiating. We don't include them because coming from bankruptcy you don't know where they will land and you obviously can't compare a bankruptcy contract to spirit that has no idea what to do with all the money.) Allegiant (for the most part not a competitor as we they don't fly a similar route map. We are using airlines with the same planes on the same routes.) You can't include current compensation from airlines that are negotiating at the same time. It's very reasonable to assume they are negotiating and will secure the same thing we are so you have to use that in the analysis. To prove we were being fair we were using current Alaska and Virgin compensation until the merger and their expedited negotiation process because Virgin was just starting the process on a first contract and to my knowledge Alaska wasn't negotiating yet. Spirit management messed up by allowing the industry to climb again with that merger and as a result our ask went up. Speaking of the ask: Industry standard or not if you choose to not agree with our "industry", it is not only affordable it is profitable and spirit could agree to every last word we have proposed and then some and not have to change a thing about how they do business. It's the definition of reasonable. What's unreasonable is expecting a highly skilled workforce that is the backbone of your business to come to work for far less compensation than those at your competition. It's not only unreasonable it's bad management and the shareholders and the board are going to see that sooner or later. Hopefully it's not too late. One thing is for certain, we aren't taking less than industry standard and will walk when the time comes if need be. |
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2424041)
The industry:
Delta United American Alaska/Virgin (actively negotiating and will see an arbitrated contract in a month so we are making assumptions on what they will get) Jetblue (actively negotiating so again we are not going to use current compensation but make the assumption they will secure large raises as they've historically been close to the legacies) Not included: Frontier (bankruptcy contract and actively negotiating. We don't include them because coming from bankruptcy you don't know where they will land and you obviously can't compare a bankruptcy contract to spirit that has no idea what to do with all the money.) Allegiant (for the most part not a competitor as we they don't fly a similar route map. We are using airlines with the same planes on the same routes.) You can't include current compensation from airlines that are negotiating at the same time. It's very reasonable to assume they are negotiating and will secure the same thing we are so you have to use that in the analysis. To prove we were being fair we were using current Alaska and Virgin compensation until the merger and their expedited negotiation process because Virgin was just starting the process on a first contract and to my knowledge Alaska wasn't negotiating yet. Spirit management messed up by allowing the industry to climb again with that merger and as a result our ask went up. Speaking of the ask: Industry standard or not if you choose to not agree with our "industry", it is not only affordable it is profitable and spirit could agree to every last word we have proposed and then some and not have to change a thing about how they do business. It's the definition of reasonable. What's unreasonable is expecting a highly skilled workforce that is the backbone of your business to come to work for far less compensation than those at your competition. It's not only unreasonable it's bad management and the shareholders and the board are going to see that sooner or later. Hopefully it's not too late. One thing is for certain, we aren't taking less than industry standard and will walk when the time comes if need be. What's funny though is that I'd wager the house that IF Frontier, Allegiant, Sun Country, Miami Air, JetBlue..etc had far higher compensation than the legacies for whatever reason, you'd be screaming that Spirit is nothing like the hub/spoke of the legacies, have a different revenue structure...blah blah blah and should be peered among those careers. And I'd think that case would be more convincing. Whatever happened to pilots are pilots and we all do the same job? I guess that's not applicable when it doesn't fit your narrative. You'd don't get paid something because your employer can afford it and still be profitable. That's not how it works. |
Originally Posted by Feng
(Post 2424053)
What's funny though is that I'd wager the house that IF Frontier, Allegiant, Sun Country, Miami Air, JetBlue..etc had far higher compensation than the legacies for whatever reason, you'd be screaming that Spirit is nothing like the hub/spoke of the legacies, have a different revenue structure...blah blah blah and should be peered among those careers. And I'd think that case would be more convincing. Whatever happened to pilots are pilots and we all do the same job? I guess that's not applicable when it doesn't fit your narrative.
You'd don't get paid something because your employer can afford it and still be profitable. That's not how it works. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk |
Hey you all please stop feeding the troll, Feng. He has been a troll for a while, go look at some of his post from 2015. He was pretending to be an AA pilot. Once you all stop quoting him he will go away.
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feng is just worried the new pilot contract will hurt his bonuses
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Originally Posted by SourGrapes
(Post 2424329)
feng is just worried the new pilot contract will hurt his bonuses
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2424751)
The thing is when the airline starts firing on all cylinders with an industry standard contract their bonuses will probably increase. They can't seem to get out of their own way though
Ooh look, a dime!!! I'd totally go pick it up but this pile of dollars is in my way so... |
Feng strikes me as someone who trolls because he interviewed here and didn't get hired, or worse, got hired and washed out of training.
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Look man I get paid by the post as a management troll.
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Originally Posted by Judge Smails
(Post 2425044)
Feng strikes me as someone who trolls because he interviewed here and didn't get hired, or worse, got hired and washed out of training.
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
(Post 2425057)
Or worse of all, he got hired here and cant leave 😂😂😂😂😂
:):D |
Originally Posted by Feng
(Post 2425058)
Agreed!!
:):D |
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