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Company moves
Company is making it clear where expectations should be, with the gojet email today. Time horizon is at least 1 year for the "pilot pathway program", meaning they expect to be able to meet hiring requirements with flow-through no later than a year from now. Like our shortened training program, we're going to do flow-through in one or two years where it takes "legacy carriers" "six or more years", according to the email.
Now, for the management of expectations, they're also telegraphing their perspective regarding anything remotely "industry standard" with the contract, because we are "different". Here is the relevant paragraph from Rodosta: We will continue our search for motivated and skilled aviators to join us at Spirit Airlines. We are building a different kind of an airline and our focus remains on attracting aviators who understand the ULCC model and realize that their success is deeply entwined in the success of our model. While there are many openings in the legacy airline ranks and more to come in the years ahead, not every pilot will wish to have a career with them. Some will choose Spirit as their career destination of choice, just as some of us have. Good timing for company mgt to set expectations, exactly 1 week before our last mediated negotiation session begins. Once again its official, discount pilots are part of the business model and as Ryan stated in the above quote, anyone coming or remaining here needs to be ok with that. |
Originally Posted by flensr
(Post 2422861)
Company is making it clear where expectations should be, with the gojet email today. Time horizon is at least 1 year for the "pilot pathway program", meaning they expect to be able to meet hiring requirements with flow-through no later than a year from now. Like our shortened training program, we're going to do flow-through in one or two years where it takes "legacy carriers" "six or more years", according to the email.
Now, for the management of expectations, they're also telegraphing their perspective regarding anything remotely "industry standard" with the contract, because we are "different". Here is the relevant paragraph from Rodosta: Namely, this place will never have industry standard compensation, and we're going to deal with the hiring issue caused by low compensation by having a 1-year flow-through from gojet. Anyone coming here needs to understand that "the ULCC model" precludes a contract or compensation anywhere near what other A320 pilots receive flying the same planes over the same routes. Good timing for company mgt to set expectations, exactly 1 week before our last mediated negotiation session begins. Once again its official, discount pilots are part of the business model and as Ryan stated in the above quote, anyone coming or remaining here needs to be ok with that. |
I read it the same way as flensr. What are we supposed to "understand" about the ULCC model?
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Originally Posted by flensr
(Post 2422861)
Company is making it clear where expectations should be, with the gojet email today. Time horizon is at least 1 year for the "pilot pathway program", meaning they expect to be able to meet hiring requirements with flow-through no later than a year from now. Like our shortened training program, we're going to do flow-through in one or two years where it takes "legacy carriers" "six or more years", according to the email.
Now, for the management of expectations, they're also telegraphing their perspective regarding anything remotely "industry standard" with the contract, because we are "different". Here is the relevant paragraph from Rodosta: Namely, this place will never have industry standard compensation, and we're going to deal with the hiring issue caused by low compensation by having a 1-year flow-through from gojet. Anyone coming here needs to understand that "the ULCC model" precludes a contract or compensation anywhere near what other A320 pilots receive flying the same planes over the same routes. Good timing for company mgt to set expectations, exactly 1 week before our last mediated negotiation session begins. Once again its official, discount pilots are part of the business model and as Ryan stated in the above quote, anyone coming or remaining here needs to be ok with that. |
If management is able to get enough guys like flesnr to come to the conclusion that industry standard will never come then they have accomplished their goal and we have fallen for their bluff.
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Originally Posted by Deathwish
(Post 2422921)
If management is able to get enough guys like flesnr to come to the conclusion that industry standard will never come then they have accomplished their goal and we have fallen for their bluff.
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What makes them think that gojet can fill classes and will have enough people on their seniority list to maintain operational integrity while sending people off to Spirit. Also of the desperate few that go to gojet why would they want to flow to Spirit unless they don't have a degree or have a DUI or 2. If I was at a regional building 121 TPIC I would rather network and wait for a major to call then take a paycut because I like Spirit's business model.
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they need to buy more simulators to cover the training from the mass exodus.....
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Originally Posted by SourGrapes
(Post 2422970)
they need to buy more simulators to cover the training from the mass exodus.....
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Originally Posted by putzin
(Post 2422940)
They only need 51% and they know they're not even close. The timing and content sure look like a move of desperation.
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Originally Posted by Acehole
(Post 2423004)
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Originally Posted by Feng
(Post 2422979)
What mass exodus? The one that everyone's been talking about for two years now?
We used to have job fairs that got sold out, we now have meet & greets where guys are hired on the spot. Lol. Think about that |
Originally Posted by Feng
(Post 2422979)
What mass exodus? The one that everyone's been talking about for two years now?
Please, do tell.... |
Originally Posted by putzin
(Post 2423034)
Oh, I'd love to here the reason why we're increasing hiring to 50 a month and 24 a month in upgrades.
Please, do tell.... |
Originally Posted by flensr
(Post 2422861)
Company is making it clear where expectations should be, with the gojet email today. Time horizon is at least 1 year for the "pilot pathway program", meaning they expect to be able to meet hiring requirements with flow-through no later than a year from now. Like our shortened training program, we're going to do flow-through in one or two years where it takes "legacy carriers" "six or more years", according to the email.
Now, for the management of expectations, they're also telegraphing their perspective regarding anything remotely "industry standard" with the contract, because we are "different". Here is the relevant paragraph from Rodosta: Namely, this place will never have industry standard compensation, and we're going to deal with the hiring issue caused by low compensation by having a 1-year flow-through from gojet. Anyone coming here needs to understand that "the ULCC model" precludes a contract or compensation anywhere near what other A320 pilots receive flying the same planes over the same routes. Good timing for company mgt to set expectations, exactly 1 week before our last mediated negotiation session begins. Once again its official, discount pilots are part of the business model and as Ryan stated in the above quote, anyone coming or remaining here needs to be ok with that. http://doctorspainreliefsystems.com/...Spine-Long.png Let's get started...Here's the link to submit your 'YES' Strike Vote: www.alpa.org ....I'm probably stupid for thinking you even know your ALPA number. |
Originally Posted by putzin
(Post 2423034)
Oh, I'd love to here the reason why we're increasing hiring to 50 a month and 24 a month in upgrades.
Please, do tell.... 24 a month upgrades huh? Remember 2 years ago people on here talking about mass exodus and stagnation, don't ever plan on upgrading? |
Originally Posted by putzin
(Post 2423034)
Oh, I'd love to here the reason why we're increasing hiring to 50 a month and 24 a month in upgrades.
Please, do tell.... As for upgrades, I've been hearing since January that the company was 80-100 Captains short. They figured they would be able to get through the summer lean like last time. May proved them wrong. So now they're catching up to what they should have been doing since last year. |
Originally Posted by Feng
(Post 2423043)
The reason is because that's the plan per the ULCC model. Medium to high'ish attrition that result in movement / short upgrades. A stepping stone to better jobs.
24 a month upgrades huh? Remember 2 years ago people on here talking about mass exodus and stagnation, don't ever plan on upgrading? |
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2423167)
What exactly is your angle here? All you do is come on here trying to discredit fellow pilots in every single post you make.
Don't take it personally. Most of the time, people who engage in this practice have a pretty miserable life. Once I get past the my initial reaction of frustration, I usually end up pitying their pathetic life situation. |
Do you guys know what his pay is right now? It's not ULCC!!
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Feng is an idiot. Don't feed the troll!
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
(Post 2423037)
62/month.........;)
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Originally Posted by Deathwish
(Post 2422921)
If management is able to get enough guys like flesnr to come to the conclusion that industry standard will never come then they have accomplished their goal and we have fallen for their bluff.
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Originally Posted by Judge Smails
(Post 2423038)
Dude you need to find a spine.
snip ....I'm probably stupid for thinking you even know your ALPA number. As for you being stupid... how do you ever learn anything if you automatically assume that someone telling you about a turd on your lawn actually likes the turd or wants it to stay there? Ever occur to you that my post was an analysis of the company's position, not advocating, agreeing, or accepting? Seriously dude, how do you cope with life if you can't read something disagreeable without assuming the person who wrote an analysis of something agrees with it? And then attacking the person who wrote the analysis? It's like you see a news story about a house fire, and then accuse the reporter of setting the fire. FFS dude, quit with the friendly fire already. |
Originally Posted by flensr
(Post 2423292)
Why do you think that I think that industry standard will never come? You consider describing and interpreting the company's position to be concurrence?
"Good timing for company mgt to set expectations, exactly 1 week before our last mediated negotiation session begins. Once again its official, discount pilots are part of the business model and as Ryan stated in the above quote, anyone coming or remaining here needs to be ok with that." In the other threads you seem to be making an argument for why you're not okay with it, but those were your words. Everyone is replying to what you actually wrote, not what you meant to write. It sounded a lot like you were saying that things were going to be a certain way and that we might as well just accept it. |
Originally Posted by Deathwish
(Post 2423486)
Because after your describing and interpreting you said the following:
"Good timing for company mgt to set expectations, exactly 1 week before our last mediated negotiation session begins. Once again its official, discount pilots are part of the business model and as Ryan stated in the above quote, anyone coming or remaining here needs to be ok with that." In the other threads you seem to be making an argument for why you're not okay with it, but those were your words. Everyone is replying to what you actually wrote, not what you meant to write. It sounded a lot like you were saying that things were going to be a certain way and that we might as well just accept it. |
Originally Posted by flensr
(Post 2422861)
discount pilots are part of the business model
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Originally Posted by Slick111
(Post 2423553)
Does Spirit also have discount senior managers and discount corporate executives?
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Originally Posted by Slick111
(Post 2423553)
Does Spirit also have discount senior managers and discount corporate executives?
Just spit my beer all over my iPad. |
Originally Posted by Slick111
(Post 2423553)
Does Spirit also have discount senior managers and discount corporate executives?
Perhaps the $ needed to attract management talent to work at Spirit is more than required at SWA. Perhaps it's a more challenging position. They're not labor in an ULCC, they're here to manage the ULC labor. |
They're compensation makes its way to the bottom line just like anyone else's. I can tell you being a pilot at spirit is more challenging than being a pilot at a legacy or southwest with the support we are given. Management likes to call it an increased level of captains authority. We don't just deserve industry standard we deserve industry leading. They are lucky we are only asking for standard.
As far as withholding services: it's no ones intent but if spirit continues to feel entitled to discount pilots we ALL fully plan on removing our services when legally allowed to do so. It's up to them. They can make it right now, or we can force them to and they can get their walking papers after taking the pilots to a strike and losing millions letting the airline meltdown a few times a year. |
Originally Posted by Slick111
(Post 2423553)
Does Spirit also have discount senior managers and discount corporate executives?
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I couldn't care less what our C suite gets paid. Just don't cry poor when all we are asking is to be compensated to industry standard.
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Originally Posted by SkywardAZ
(Post 2423589)
Nope Bob makes more then Kelly at SWA.
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2423672)
They're compensation makes its way to the bottom line just like anyone else's. I can tell you being a pilot at spirit is more challenging than being a pilot at a legacy or southwest with the support we are given. Management likes to call it an increased level of captains authority. We don't just deserve industry standard we deserve industry leading. They are lucky we are only asking for standard.
As far as withholding services: it's no ones intent but if spirit continues to feel entitled to discount pilots we ALL fully plan on removing our services when legally allowed to do so. It's up to them. They can make it right now, or we can force them to and they can get their walking papers after taking the pilots to a strike and losing millions letting the airline meltdown a few times a year. Fng nailed it!!! |
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2423803)
I couldn't care less what our C suite gets paid. Just don't cry poor when all we are asking is to be compensated to industry standard.
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Originally Posted by Feng
(Post 2423891)
Yes, industry standard. But picking the three or four airlines with the best compensation out of the 15+ out there and then averaging their compensation, and then calling it an industry standard, does not actually make it industry standard. Surely you see that right?
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Originally Posted by Feng
(Post 2423891)
Yes, industry standard. But picking the three or four airlines with the best compensation out of the 15+ out there and then averaging their compensation, and then calling it an industry standard, does not actually make it industry standard. Surely you see that right?
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Originally Posted by AllOva736
(Post 2423907)
15+ major airlines huh? There is 10 if you stretch it and 5 of them have out dated contracts you moron. God you're stupid
I'm so glad there are good folks on here to educate me. |
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