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Old 08-31-2017, 09:56 AM
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Company is making it clear where expectations should be, with the gojet email today. Time horizon is at least 1 year for the "pilot pathway program", meaning they expect to be able to meet hiring requirements with flow-through no later than a year from now. Like our shortened training program, we're going to do flow-through in one or two years where it takes "legacy carriers" "six or more years", according to the email.

Now, for the management of expectations, they're also telegraphing their perspective regarding anything remotely "industry standard" with the contract, because we are "different". Here is the relevant paragraph from Rodosta:

We will continue our search for motivated and skilled aviators to join us at Spirit Airlines. We are building a different kind of an airline and our focus remains on attracting aviators who understand the ULCC model and realize that their success is deeply entwined in the success of our model. While there are many openings in the legacy airline ranks and more to come in the years ahead, not every pilot will wish to have a career with them. Some will choose Spirit as their career destination of choice, just as some of us have.
Namely, this place will never have industry standard compensation, and we're going to deal with the hiring issue caused by low compensation by having a 1-year flow-through from gojet. Anyone coming here needs to understand that "the ULCC model" precludes a contract or compensation anywhere near what other A320 pilots receive flying the same planes over the same routes.

Good timing for company mgt to set expectations, exactly 1 week before our last mediated negotiation session begins. Once again its official, discount pilots are part of the business model and as Ryan stated in the above quote, anyone coming or remaining here needs to be ok with that.
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Company is making it clear where expectations should be, with the gojet email today. Time horizon is at least 1 year for the "pilot pathway program", meaning they expect to be able to meet hiring requirements with flow-through no later than a year from now. Like our shortened training program, we're going to do flow-through in one or two years where it takes "legacy carriers" "six or more years", according to the email.

Now, for the management of expectations, they're also telegraphing their perspective regarding anything remotely "industry standard" with the contract, because we are "different". Here is the relevant paragraph from Rodosta:



Namely, this place will never have industry standard compensation, and we're going to deal with the hiring issue caused by low compensation by having a 1-year flow-through from gojet. Anyone coming here needs to understand that "the ULCC model" precludes a contract or compensation anywhere near what other A320 pilots receive flying the same planes over the same routes.

Good timing for company mgt to set expectations, exactly 1 week before our last mediated negotiation session begins. Once again its official, discount pilots are part of the business model and as Ryan stated in the above quote, anyone coming or remaining here needs to be ok with that.
Meh, I think you're reading too much into it. Market rate is market rate, they will have to pay it, doesnt matter what the business model is. Ryan (as well as the rest of the Chiefs) are on our side and surprisingly the one thing this place got right, lol. I wouldnt over analyize the email
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I read it the same way as flensr. What are we supposed to "understand" about the ULCC model?
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Company is making it clear where expectations should be, with the gojet email today. Time horizon is at least 1 year for the "pilot pathway program", meaning they expect to be able to meet hiring requirements with flow-through no later than a year from now. Like our shortened training program, we're going to do flow-through in one or two years where it takes "legacy carriers" "six or more years", according to the email.

Now, for the management of expectations, they're also telegraphing their perspective regarding anything remotely "industry standard" with the contract, because we are "different". Here is the relevant paragraph from Rodosta:



Namely, this place will never have industry standard compensation, and we're going to deal with the hiring issue caused by low compensation by having a 1-year flow-through from gojet. Anyone coming here needs to understand that "the ULCC model" precludes a contract or compensation anywhere near what other A320 pilots receive flying the same planes over the same routes.

Good timing for company mgt to set expectations, exactly 1 week before our last mediated negotiation session begins. Once again its official, discount pilots are part of the business model and as Ryan stated in the above quote, anyone coming or remaining here needs to be ok with that.
It doesn't matter where the new hires come from. They are ALL gonna wanna get paid and the unionized pilot group here will not settle for less. I can't speak for everybody but the majority (at least 95%) would rather risk burning the place down than allowing our profession to be destroyed by substandard wages. It's comical that the dorks that don't fly airplanes for a living actually think they can influence pilot thinking. FUPM!

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Old 08-31-2017, 11:33 AM
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If management is able to get enough guys like flesnr to come to the conclusion that industry standard will never come then they have accomplished their goal and we have fallen for their bluff.
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If management is able to get enough guys like flesnr to come to the conclusion that industry standard will never come then they have accomplished their goal and we have fallen for their bluff.
No way Ryan wrote that email and I have to laugh at how much of a pu*** jyri is by not signing his own name to that dribble. They only need 51% and they know they're not even close. The timing and content sure look like a move of desperation.
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What makes them think that gojet can fill classes and will have enough people on their seniority list to maintain operational integrity while sending people off to Spirit. Also of the desperate few that go to gojet why would they want to flow to Spirit unless they don't have a degree or have a DUI or 2. If I was at a regional building 121 TPIC I would rather network and wait for a major to call then take a paycut because I like Spirit's business model.


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they need to buy more simulators to cover the training from the mass exodus.....
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they need to buy more simulators to cover the training from the mass exodus.....
What mass exodus? The one that everyone's been talking about for two years now?
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They only need 51% and they know they're not even close. The timing and content sure look like a move of desperation.
And Bingo was his name oh.
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