What are you doing with Bendo's offer?
 

I figure I'll use mine as a fire starter for my grill/smoker. Any other ideas?

Return to sender!!!!!

Yes!!!! X1000

Great idea!!

What was the offer?

Can you Return to Sender after opening it? I kind of want to read it...

I think the message is much stronger if the envelope is not opened before returning. IMHO.

It's the same email he sent us on our company IPads. Don't even bother.

Company says they have no money yet they spend money on 1700 envelopes to send us what they emailed us days before lol

Ok, I won't bother. My company iPad only comes out when I'm at work and I haven't been at work for over a week so I haven't seen the email. I'll check it out. Thanks.

File a TRO.

I strongly support and applaud our NC.

This is not a serious proposal, only a desperate attempt to divide.

Let's ignore the management trolls in here that made their true colors known.

United we stand.

doing anything with this proposal is time wasted, the only thing we should use our energy towards is what comes next because that is the only thing that matters. Play your game and not theirs, that is the only way to prevail in this situation.

I agree. If 10% of the pilots send it back, our management is so delusional that they will conclude that 90% must think it's a good offer lol. I'm not wasting my time with that BS. It went straight in the trash unopened.

Wrapped it with a hot diaper so it felt at home.

I was going to return to sender with "My negotiating committee speaks for my entire family" written on the envelope.

What did he offer anyway

DL -5%?

JetBlue + PBS which works out to roughly JetBlue -15%.

Whats funny is Bendoritis' "work rules" absolutely demolish any QOL. Everything in there just gave us the ability to work oursleves to death. He thinks our families will be impressed by the mail. My wife was livid. She actually enjoys me being around for my kids

Laughable

What price can you put on being there for your family? What is the value of an intact marriage? Any pay raise would be eaten up by divorce lawyers, alimony, and child support!

Pretty much. Right now the QOL is good and mediocre pay sure as hell won't be able to replace it. They not only need to pay up because we deserve it but because future staffing issues requires it to survive and grow.

Jetblue is in the middle of negotiations for market rate raises on that as well. It was so bad I actually thought it was a joke. My NC has said as much.

Now let's all be careful not to be negotiating in public. Let's let the negotiating committee do the talking

Your NC also said....


"Finally, please resist the urge to communicate via social media where management will be looking for information to assist them in the bargaining process."

Regardless if the conversations seem innocent to us, we were asked to stay off these forums. How many times have you seen an innocent forum discussion turn into TRO bait within a few seconds? A lot!

That's exactly what they are waiting for; for us to trip on our own junk.

These forums should be dark until we are told otherwise by the NC or we have a contract. It truly is that simple.

Some more money plus significant work rule concessions.

Honestly I don't think they care about the pay as much as they want work rules gone. We give away rules for pay, biggest mistake ever. Will get use to the bigger house nicer car, prettier boat but when we're doing lines with 14 days off, no schedule integrity,can't drop back to the company and flying to PT 117 limits, life will suck no matter the pay.

yea, the funny thing is this forum probably won't be around in 3 years when we get a TA

Dude, just stop. Posting on the internet is stopping Spirit pilots from getting more money!

oh, that's the reason? ok :rolleyes:

I have to believe that a few people on here posting are not members of your pilot group. Because any pilot in your group would know better after that ridiculous injunction filed earlier this year. Talking about the status of negotiations or bad mouthing the company is one thing; a means of blowing off steam. BUT, talking specifics about what you will or will not accept in a new contract is completely effin stupid. With a small margin of error for idiots, I have to believe that the remainder of these posters are not members on your seniority list.

Agree 100‰ jekyll

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100% correct. They want the work rules most of all. They'll be back for money later. Do NOT give up work rules. Ask the guys at AA, DAL, UAL and SWA. You will never get work rules back and management knows this. Part 117 SUCKS! :eek:

Those not on the call, you're not getting on. Capped at 500.

wow, just wow.....i have no words

Sorry, I guess only this time.

Weekly calls to come, definitely worth making a point to hit the next one.

Here's your chance Grapes, adding a call today.

3pm EST call to allow those who missed out to hear from your Committee.

i'm in, i'm just upset for the hundreds who couldn't get in....it really doesn't matter , some of these questions are so f-ing dumb, we're screwed

Some of the pilots were still thinking about what to ask as they were talking. Lots of umm or uhh going on in those questions.

I was looking at DL, AA and United Captain A320 pay scales. Year 3 is $246-$247. Our ask is $196. Top captain ask of DOS is $237 while that is essentially junior Captain pay at the big three. No real comment just a simple comparison. Pay scales are listed on APC and is common knowledge.

But you are only using the big 3. When Using comps, you use all the comps not just the ones that you cherry pick. They said there are 8 different airlines that are our 'Comprables.' Not to mention with exception a few outliers st delta nobody is legacy captain Making those rates at yesr 3. I'm not advocating either way, I have my opinion on the proposal and I'll keep pretty much to myself. Just saying when selling a house you use all the comps on the street not just the ones that help your price point ..
PS also mentioned only 2 of those 8 have line bidding ... so by definition line bidding is not industry standard. Collectively we'll have to pick and choose what we have to have and what we might negotiate on ..we shall see . It's gonna be a long road ahead

Nah, I don't work at Spirit, but there aren't that many comparisons. Frontier's is a bankruptcy driven, Virgin won't exist anymore, Alaska is pending arbitration, and Jetblue has been in negotiations for a while now.

When you're selling a house, you compare to current values, not values that homes on that street sold at 5 years ago. The current, valid, negotiated union contracts are Delta, American, United, Southwest, Hawaiian, and Allegiant. That's it. Run those numbers if you want averages.