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Old 10-18-2017 | 02:05 PM
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Well, maybe you don't care if you're run ragged with only 11 days off each month, but I do. I'd be happy with an imperfect airline that allows me to drop days when I have things to do at home.
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Old 10-18-2017 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by P Owed Captain
Well, maybe you don't care if you're run ragged with only 11 days off each month, but I do. I'd be happy with an imperfect airline that allows me to drop days when I have things to do at home.
Grid has to be green for that.... Depending on where you are based, staffing could be an issue for drops.
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Old 10-18-2017 | 02:37 PM
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We stay red where I am. Do you know of any majors with green reserves besides you guys?
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Old 10-18-2017 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by P Owed Captain
We stay red where I am. Do you know of any majors with green reserves besides you guys?
Do you know any majors that pay what we get paid?
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Old 10-18-2017 | 03:01 PM
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Ours is not so green anymore, FWIW. Yes there are a sprinkling of days (depending on seat & base) but it’s definitely not like it was a couple of years ago.
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Old 10-18-2017 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by P Owed Captain
Well, maybe you don't care if you're run ragged with only 11 days off each month, but I do. I'd be happy with an imperfect airline that allows me to drop days when I have things to do at home.
Please stay far away from this group. The "I'll take whatever as long as I get to have more than 11 days off" is toxic to the core.

You are a wet dream for our management. "Better than my regional," right?
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Old 10-19-2017 | 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by P Owed Captain
Well, maybe you don't care if you're run ragged with only 11 days off each month, but I do. I'd be happy with an imperfect airline that allows me to drop days when I have things to do at home.
That provision could very well be going away in the next contract. Being able to drop is a major sticking point with management.
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Old 10-19-2017 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyondawall
That provision could very well be going away in the next contract. Being able to drop is a major sticking point with management.
Then I guess it’s gonna be a long time before we get a new contract
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Old 10-20-2017 | 07:58 AM
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It's all a major sticking point with management. Transition! Must go to PBS! Ok, now it's dropping/trading! And scope, can't possibly put scope in there! And and and and. Look at the company's last proposal and you can easily see how long of a list of items they will claim. Leaving scope out totally tipped their hand, that they still have no intention of ever coming to a satisfactory agreement.

They're going to cry that every single thing is absolutely critical to the business model, except having pilots who are happy to stay here. Remember, less than a year ago their investors slides proudly claimed the junior nature of the pilot group was a major driving force in the business model. Just because it's not in the slideshow anymore doesn't mean they're not still counting on the pilot group remaining underpaid and comparatively young.

Without being permitted to strike, the only options are to suck it up and take it while hoping for ALPA to come up with a miracle, or vote with your feet when the opportunity arises.
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Old 10-21-2017 | 07:08 AM
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[QUOTE=flensr;2451012]It's all a major sticking point with management. Transition! Must go to PBS! Ok, now it's dropping/trading! And scope, can't possibly put scope in there! And and and and. Look at the company's last proposal and you can easily see how long of a list of items they will claim. Leaving scope out totally tipped their hand, that they still have no intention of ever coming to a satisfactory agreement.

They're going to cry that every single thing is absolutely critical to the business model, except having pilots who are happy to stay here. Remember, less than a year ago their investors slides proudly claimed the junior nature of the pilot group was a major driving force in the business model. Just because it's not in the slideshow anymore doesn't mean they're not still counting on the pilot group remaining underpaid and comparatively young.

Without being permitted to strike, the only options are to suck it up and take it while hoping for ALPA to come up with a miracle, or vote with your feet when the opportunity arises.[/QUOTE

Exactly!
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