And this is what an arbitrator awarded. Spirit Management is delusional.

Btw the was agreed arbitration for the merger. Only 3 sections were opened. Pay retirement and scope. And this was handed down for better or worse. My understanding is that the virgin pilots will now work under the current Alaska work rules that none of which were changed in this arbitration. Some of them are not so great anyway though.

Alaska Virgin new contract details

15% DC at dos
Pay rates way above what Spirit has proposed though not industry leading.

To be fair they have zero scope and their management could outsource or codeshare the entire operation tomorrow and they’d have nothing

They have line bidding and are not pay protected for conflict drops. They are the only ones I know of that do that. It’s where Spirit got that genius idea in the proposal from 2 years ago. A low open time month like September and you get a big transition drop you could be stuck with a 45hr line.

They do open negotiations again in 2020 I believe not 2023 which is what Spirit wants. We will be just as far back in 2023 as we are now and then Spirit will stall for another three years

No link if one was posted.

Edited and added. I don’t know how to post a picture of the scale

Its working now but holy sh!t. Hopefully the mediator sees this soon and it will go in our favor. They get those pay rates AND still have line bidding. Granted without the transition but still geez man.

Without scope you really have nothing. Any contract isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on if you don’t have the job it governs.

We have some and it’s weak. Alaska and virgin have zero.

What in God's name are you babbling about?

Hopefully the Mediator sees this and it will go in our favor?

Do you think the NMB mediator will look at something decided by a private arbitrator and say "Wow, I got it all wrong?" If it were up to her, we would have voted in that garbage the company presented 2 months ago.

Their line bidding, as pointed out before, was the garbage management presented to us over 2 years ago. Conflict drops, no pay. You think that is awesome? You add the "granted part" like its such a small point of contention. "Granted half of your month is up for non pay protected drops, but hey..."geez." IF you worked here, you would know that.

I look at that contract and all I see is NO SCOPE. The still have the worst scope of all the major carriers. Virgin essentially has the same scope they had before they unionized. None of that, repeat, NONE OF THAT means anything without scope.

I was only speaking on which what was posted: the pay rates, that is all. Did I mention scope? Did I say we should have accepted the company proposal from 2 months ago? No. Take your chill pill now.

You're a babbling troll on these boards. It really is as simple as that fact.

While I could be wrong, I thought that Alaska's 2013 contract did have something about the current 737 fleet to be flown only by pilots on the AS seniority list. In any case, the "none" comment about scope really means the arbitrators turned down the main ALPA scope proposal: 76 seat limit and 86,000lb weight. This was denied and I think that's what they guy meant as "none" in that thread.

Alaska line bidding has vacation and transition conflict drop, but you are responsible for making sure you stay above 75 hrs. If you drop below that then you have to add to get back to 75. Vacation pays 24.5 hrs per week so if that's enough to keep you above 75, you don't have to add anything. It's crap. The only advantage to line bidding is Vac and Transition drop with pay protection. Without it, you may as well have PBS.

Care to explain how or why?