The NMB and government shutdown.
 

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Why and the hell cant the NMB set additional bargaining dates tentatively? They should know the govt will be funded after these clowns in Washington stop their dick measuring contests. If a shutdown does last through tentative dates obviously no one meets but to not even set dates sounds completely asinine. What a joke the NMB is.

Oh, and progress was made...

F Spirit!
F the NMB!

Merry Christmas

You telling me the Christmas bonus won't be here before Christmas?

I can put this in a Christmas jingle for you if you would like? Do you prefer jingle bells or frosty the snowman?

This isn’t progress! It’s soirit stalling again to avoid industry standard. It’s a GD impasse! Ready to strike!!!!

It's almost like management WANTS another May to happen.

A lateral move to G4 keeps looking better and better for us first year FOs...

#lowtiernation

You enjoy that champ

I don't care where you are on the list, see ya!

#lateralmovenation

Often threatened yet virtually never done.

#moneywhereyourmouthis

We got the 1-year membership in the jelly of the month club....

I didn't know K-Y offered that.

Ha, guessing if G4 had called you wouldn't have gone to spirit. G4 isn't hiring anyway.

Your 2400 hours got you a call at spirit but about half of what you would need to get called by Allegiant. Plenty of spirit pilots with apps at G4. No G4 pilot is trying to go to spirit. Anyway, not here to poop on your parade. Was hoping to see you guys were making progress. Everyone is routing for you and F9. Keep up the good fight!

Lullz.......

Nah not really your just trying to justify. Not one person has left here for G4... and sometime soon it will be very evident why

Ok let’s quit the dikc measuring contests. The whole career is a craps shoot and we all know that

As soon as you come out and state again and again how they signed a substandard industry lagging contract and should be ashamed of themselves. Spirit pilots would never of voted to approve such a disgraceful piece of garbage.

They did sign an industry lagging contract but they don’t have to be ashamed they just have to own it. All 10 years of it. But I’ve never badmouthed them as pilots saying some could get hired there and not here or that guys would never leave here for there. They are a great group with a crummy contract and so are we. It isn’t like our poop doesn’t stink.

And any time I’ve mentioned their contract it was in the context of what not to do in this round not to appear superior to them because right now we are not.

Hey you finally said something right!

Well some G4 Capts cleared north of $400k gross this year so if thats lagging then giddyup! :D

Not in guarantee they didn’t.

Every airline has high earners from either working the system, working like a slave, or sometimes both. Not saying it’s wrong just saying it’s not an apples to apples comparison and it absolutely isn’t guaranteed money. The only thing to vote on is things that are in black and white and $400k isn’t in black and white in the Allegiant contract. The premium pay for credit over (is it 80hrs?) is a very nice incentive I would love to have. Again no ill will toward the Allegiant Pilots. I have friends there and it’s a great group.

Why are we not bargaining for a higher min guarantee credit?

72 has always too seemed low.

Good for them! Most NK captains are sub $150k!

Ok,......which airline has a guarantee of $400k per year? $300k per year? Keep dreaming.

Did you even read his entire post?

FedEx
UPS
United
American
Delta

Guarantee:
Fedex 304 x 74 x 12=269952
Ups 309 x 81 x 12=300348
United 328 x 73 x 12=287328
American 323 x 76 x 12=294576
Delta 330 x 65 x 12=257400

Out of curiosity, what rates are you using to derive those numbers?

Spirit 185 x 72 = 159,840

But who cares because we have the most amazing work rules right???

Yeah dude....... we already know we're underpaid. Good thing I don't ever seem to fly with people like the dipsticks we have on this site. If you aren't aware, everyone is already ****ed off and the work rules don't exactly do much to deter us from being angry. But congrats on trying to copy what many have felt cool saying for more than TWO years now.

You mad bro?

Nope, just sick of the tards on here saying the same thing over and over again like they are somehow part of a relevant conversation. My rant really wasn't about you but the masses ( maybe 10 or so ) on here. However you did say " you mad bro " so once again another original thought on APC.

Obviously you have become very angry in your working situation and I understand why. May I ask if you have your applications out to leave? I honestly think this will be the quickest way to get the respect you deserve.

Because days of work times five:
Half month off, 15x5=75 Guarantee
13 days off 17x5=85 Guarantee
14 days off 16x5=80 guarantee

If every other PBS carrier out there experienced that change during bankruptcy/concessionary contracts...why are our guys embracing it at an all time industry high? One would think the NMB, if presented the argument, would give a rats a$$ what the company claims they can afford, if they were shown how costly their operations are run on a daily basis by the same guys saying they can't afford average pay rates. How do spirit pilots know what's being said at the table if guys get shut down during conference calls?

Because I want to hack it.

....but mainly because it's better in every way.

Honest question - who got shut down? I missed the first 15 minutes.

Nobody. They hung up on one guy prematurely and told him to call back. He did and they answered his question

That's what I heard too. They told one guy to email them and honestly it was something that shouldn't have been public. Or at least served on a silver platter.

Yea but you’re talking about 25+ year with AA.. roughly top 15% get that $$$

777 -1987 DOH
787- 1990 DOH
330 -1985 DOH

If hired today at the age of 40, you will see 5-8 years of CA group IV pay, maybe!

767 is group III - $276 (Jan $285) - 1999 DOH