Pros and cons of TA.

 

I do not know what this is meaning, but it is scary:

" The Company will not participate in revenue sharing or joint ventures agreements with other carriers in which Spirit pilots do not perform a portion of the flying to the extent the flying subject to the revenue sharing or joint venture is permitted to be flown
by, and is accessible to, the Company."

This is good or bad?

 

Pro:
broader definition of codesharing
Furlough protection based seniority list pilot to add no reduction in block hours on rolling 12 calendar months previous to the codeshare agreement.

CON:
Spirit pilots must participate in the agreement. This is being sold as an improvement but it seems to mean nothing.

Ex: Spirit wants to sell tickets to Europe. It enters into a codeshare agreement with Norwegian to move passengers to Europe. As Norwegian grows to as many destinations as they want because they were not denied open skies. They can fly as many Spirit passengers to as many destinations as the codeshare agreement allows. Spirit pilots are “participating” because we are connecting passengers through our current network.

No restrictions of a number of flights, block hours, city pairs, or if adding codeshare flights Spirit pilots have to have flights added on the same routes or the same block hours on similar aircraft.

I used Norwegian as the example because it seems the most likely and also the worst scenario because of the flag of convenience threat they pose to the entire industry if they don’t die on the vine, but it could be any carrier. South American, Asian, etc. Even frontier. They fly to a lot of places we don’t already.

DEFINE PARTICIPATE!!!!!

 

Welcome to the NO camp.

 

Dilly Dilly!!!!

 

Looks that way.

Pro:
There were some significant improvements to the merger acquisition language.

Con:
The codeshare language is not good enough to carry the rest of this bad deal.

 

1-D-g

1-E-6

Protections lost in case of "Circumstance beyond the Company's control"

Now read

2-BE: "Circumstance Beyond The Company's Control" Includes Labor Dispute, Strike or PICKETING OF ANY OF THE COMPANY'S PREMISES


{EDIT} Merger protections are lost if we so much as stage a harmless picket!

IMO, this is a hidden gotcha. We may read the phrase "Circumstances...." in the Scope language, but are we reading the definitions just as carefully as the Scope, Scheduling, Vacations, etc?

 

Sorry for double post,but entirely separate point

1-E-4 95% Protections do not apply if company buys a regional carrier.

 

I wouldn’t say all scope but you are right. They even quoted it to reference the definition. What a crock

 

There is ZERO language stopping the company from having regional feed!

SkyWest and Tran States both have 150 Mitsubishi MRJ coming in 2020.

How do you feel if they are painted yellow?!?!?!?!

Automatic no vote for me!