Some of these guys want to be able to <sit home and drink beer if they choose> so I guess they dont care if they go out on current ltd?

 

Fair enough. So vote yes. If you really think it’s the best option then do it but don’t cry and moan when you’re sitting in a dumpy hotel next to an airport for 17 hours and your contract basically states “scheduling can do what they want”.


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Figured you’d say that, but scared money certainly doesn’t make any money. I love the scare tactics and fear aspect of all of this. Typical ALPA rhetoric. Vote this in or else.......Remember the Distance Learning LOA?

Just remember how often folks spoke of American selling out work rules for money, because it sounds like you’re about ready to live it.

The next meltdown is on the company for not being able to staff the operation appropriately (which truly was the original issue at hand). This is ever more obvious since the pilots are playing nice and doing all that’s within their power, but it’s still not enough.

Not to mention not enough showing up to class or leaving mid training.

 

You’ll never be able to recoup the items that you’re about to concede with this TA.

 

Why would it be a dumpy Hotel?

 

This mentality... ugh

 

Read the long stay vs short stay changes. If you enjoy hanging out across the street from the airport then I guess it wouldn’t be bad. But most neighborhoods around the airport in the cities we frequent aren’t exactly the most sought after destinations. Just one of the small things that irks me to be honest.


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The things that you’ve said over the last few days do not align with a single member of the LEC4DFW movement and I was intimately involved with that group. Those guys had backbone. They were some of the most passionate pro Spirit Pilot guys on the Seniority list. And i say Pro Spirit Pilot, because they wouldn’t say I’m voting YES to get mine for me. Not really sure where your screen name came from unless it’s a joke.

 

So all of our short stay hotels are dumpy now? And you do realize the 18 hours is between flights not show times and block in. So the difference is only 1.5 hours from current I believe.

 

So what. Why do we even feel the need to concede something so pedestrian as this? It’s not like they’re offering to pay us industry leading rates and offering profit sharing for conceding all this... That’s what bugs me about this TA. All these small little things that they threw in there add up to the point where it’s somewhat insulting.

If the union were to came out and say “we got everyone above industry average pay, above industry average retirement, some form of profit sharing or stock purchase options, and locked down the scope language but... we had to give all this up to get it” I’d be fine with it. I understand we have to give a little to get a little.

But instead they’re saying “we have to give all this up now to get below average rates, below average retirement, LTD that only looks good if you pay your own money into it (and we won’t tell you what that amount is), and scope that is anything but iron clad.” Not to mention the scheduling section that you have to choke down that has so many vague paragraphs and loopholes that even the lawyers who thought it up are confused. That’s this TA. The rates are fine. PBS is fine. Just don’t try and screw me on all the little things that they’re trying to hide behind the curtain.

I’m a reasonable person but meet me in the middle. I’m not smart but I’m smart enough to know when I’m getting a garbage deal...


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