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drivinghome 02-14-2018 09:34 AM
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2528224)
I was pretty shocked that training pay and no healthcare for 90 days made it to the TA. I guess I had wrongfully assumes that there was no way those things would stay.
Same here. I thought those things might make it in and things would change.
Thought about applying, but...

tinman1 02-14-2018 11:33 AM
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2528111)
The company is never going to do that. Imo we have to look out for each other and we needed to do the right thing here.
Ya know, the same thing was said for the regionals back when I was getting into the industry and now those guys are getting five figure bonuses and making more money than I ever have at any point in my career (even today as I fly an airbus for 30k/year), and I came out of flight school almost a decade ago. So yeah not to sound cold, but I'm glad the union isn't wasting negotiating capital on this. It really is a dangerous game because when the staffing crunch actually hits at our level you will see astronomical bonuses and first year FOs making that of junior CAs. I've already seen that once in my career and am not interested in seeing it again.

Qotsaautopilot 02-14-2018 11:48 AM
The reason you’re making that money is because those before you chose to pull the ladder up behind them. Now you are advocating the same behavior. Why should good pilots have to walk a mile in my shoes? My shoes are garbage, I wouldn’t want anyone to walk in them if I could prevent it.

Also, I don’t know if new hire bonuses are prohibited here without addressing the entire pay scale. If they aren’t I would’ve expected Spirit would’ve used them by now to keep the mins up. Another question to my roadshow list. They shouldn’t be able to use them imo.

tinman1 02-14-2018 11:59 AM
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2528440)
The reason you’re making that money is because those before you chose to pull the ladder up behind them. Now you are advocating the same behavior. Why should good pilots have to walk a mile in my shoes? My shoes are garbage, I wouldn’t want anyone to walk in them if I could prevent it.
I'm not saying I'm a fan of it, but I used facts to show you what has historically happened and is still happening at the precursory level to us. I can pull W2s to show you the staggering difference if you really want.

Qotsaautopilot 02-14-2018 12:15 PM
I believe you. We just see the solution differently. That’s ok

tinman1 02-14-2018 12:37 PM
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2528464)
I believe you. We just see the solution differently. That’s ok
If history is any indicator, the problem will solve itself without the expense of our negotiating capital.

dogpilot 02-14-2018 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by tinman1 (Post 2528424)
Ya know, the same thing was said for the regionals back when I was getting into the industry and now those guys are getting five figure bonuses and making more money than I ever have at any point in my career (even today as I fly an airbus for 30k/year), and I came out of flight school almost a decade ago. So yeah not to sound cold, but I'm glad the union isn't wasting negotiating capital on this. It really is a dangerous game because when the staffing crunch actually hits at our level you will see astronomical bonuses and first year FOs making that of junior CAs. I've already seen that once in my career and am not interested in seeing it again.
Why begrudge someone for being able to make some money in a situation that didn’t pay for you. I’m so happy for those guys making liveable wages at the regionals, great! Why you want others to suffer because you did seems pathetic.

Super EZ E 02-14-2018 12:55 PM
Spirit = Ladder up! "I've got mine screw you the company will have to fix it." Spoken by the true professionals at Spirit! :mad:

Conquistador27 02-14-2018 01:04 PM
Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2528493)
Spirit = Ladder up! "I've got mine screw you the company will have to fix it." Spoken by the true professionals at Spirit! :mad:
You mean every airline in the history of aviation until very recently right???

Qotsaautopilot 02-14-2018 01:14 PM
Originally Posted by Conquistador27 (Post 2528506)
You mean every airline in the history of aviation until very recently right???
Except Hawaiian and UPS everyone has been making it right. This isn’t entry level. Guys coming to Spirit should be done paying dues


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