Most Twisted & Craziest TA things said???
 

After attending 2 roadshows and listening to 1 streamed live and continuing to read all the Q&A’s etc. I feel that I am pretty fairly informed on FACTs and I will keep educating myself until the voting in Feb. 28th. That being said, I have heard and read so many things that are twisted, untrue, and absurd from a descent % of our pilot group, I would like to ask, what are those things you have heard???? NO voters that are horrendously misinformed, please, for all of our sake, get educated. There simply is NO excuse not to watch or go to a roadshow, ask the ?’s, get the answers then make you’re vote based on Facts what is best for you.

I heard from a "no voter" on WhatsApp that Section 14 in the TA allows for Bendo to declare "Prima Nocta" on any wife of the pilot group.

can you be re-scheduled on your days off?

No.

You know this, but you post this in order to get into a conspiracy theory on lies, saying that we can not be called/rescheduled into days off.

Lies lies lies....Your game is obvious.

And people think guys go into management just for the money. :cool: More to the point of this thread, I flew with a guy who was convinced that we will be required to call scheduling to be released to leave the airport every time we block in to domicile at the end of a trip.

FLL/DFW Reserve Gravy Guzzlers are getting nervous. No more getting special deals while the rest of us work for a living.

Seems like "Gravy Guzzler" & "Gravy Chokers" are this week's buzzword. It's so predictable. Sad.

What's for next week?

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If we can't contract them out,we will breed them out!

Well I know in 2 weeks the buzz word will be..."Im a XX%'er" and "turd"

FYI, the so called “gravy guzzlers” have already scrutinized the TA and found the areas that we can manipulate. We are prepared March 2nd to take advantage of the things the other 97% will take years to figure out. This is the way we work, we don’t sit around feeling sorry for ourselves because a couple of rules have changed. The gravy will continue and scheduling still has their go to crews. If you think that in some way this TA will stop the elite few from profiting more than the average line pilot you are sadly mistaken. With your mind set it is obvious that you will never be apart of our group.

If you knew what I grossed last year with only 367 hours block you would lose your mind.

Ahhhhh....choke down that filthy gravy..let it run down your chin.:eek:

I let it run all the way down my thighs. It’s amazing!

Such a naughty girl you are. :D

Do you honestly think things will stay the same as far as the so called “gravy chokers” go??

The company will obtain a higher cost, according to their financials, do you think that cost measures will be put in place to minimize that??

What about when PBS hits and you can no longer drop?? So bid a line and drop and hope that they call??

I can tell you this, you guys/gals will be in for a rude awakening when those calls become very rare.

You don’t think that people who do put themselves on the X/Y list wont file grievances if they feel they had been wronged??

You don’t think the company will do anything possible to avoid the 200% pay outs??

I have been here 11 years and I can tell you the bigger we get the less gravy goes around and as the wages will become higher that “spoon” will dry up real fast.

I’m not against making money, as long as the CBA is followed. Having special crews is BS!!

So in the mean time, drop your trips or one block of reserve days and place yourself on all the X/Y list and whatever other ways you can make it happen, but be ready when the company smartens up!

[QUOTE=NKSMCOTAKEOVER;2531149]FYI, the so called “gravy guzzlers” have already scrutinized the TA and found the areas that we can manipulate. We are prepared March 2nd to take advantage of the things the other 97% will take years to figure out. This is the way we work, we don’t sit around feeling sorry for ourselves because a couple of rules have changed. The gravy will continue and scheduling still has their go to crews. If you think that in some way this TA will stop the elite few from profiting more than the average line pilot you are sadly mistaken. With your mind set it is obvious that you will never be apart of our group.

If you knew what I grossed last year with only 367 hours block you would lose your mind.[/QUOTE

Do tell us how much?

Your analysis of the tactics used to exploit CBA2010 is only about 25% of what it takes to be a true “gravy gulper”. That’s why not everyone is doing it. One amazingly unique tactic was recently made very public and I thought it was going to become a Thread of it’s own but it didn’t even register with those in attendance. I think it was a slip up because the topic change almost immediately.

Our antics gave the NC bargaining power. And our future antics will give the NC bargaining power in 2023.

Your welcome.

Your welcome to.

Antics or a concerted effort?

Get use to a low fat diet, the gravy is GONE once PBS starts! Less than 12 months left to choke it down. Your a$$ will be flying hard time, get use to it.

ALPA has fixed the below items for the company, the Captains received ~$50/hr raise and 11% DC.

Transition conflicts gone with PBS! Big score for the Company!
Open time due to Vacation drops gone with PBS. Big score!
Open time due to Training drops gone with PBS. Big Score!
Major increase in productivity. PBS!
Section 25 major recovery tool for unwilling pilots. Triple Score for the company!
Less staffing required. PBS! This alone offsets the $50/hr raise.



Spirit is going to make so much money every pilot here needs to take the signing bonus and buy stock. The management team at Spirit has made monster gains in the new Pilot contract, genius. ALPA will be sitting on the side lines for the next 8 years watching all the profit flow to the Executive group and wall street. We got our signing bonus just like the FA! SUCKERS!

ALPA signed off on all those give backs for little or no money.

And this is why I voted NO!

A lot your antics aren’t that much of a secret like you think, many of us live within our means and choose not dress up in our uniforms everyday, sit in employee parking lot, and hit redial or wait for the call from scheduling

So true! It really is an industry standard contract....just without the pay and retirement.

I wonder what the industry will look like in 5-8 years?

Moving on....

You get it.

Some dip sh!ts named freight cowboy and tool are giddy yes voters just because of pure jealousy of a few money makers.

Sad

Bowl of gravy!

https://youtu.be/iSu3z6sTZBw

So who started the "gravy choker" term?

Dont worry, you'll will have the Y list in the new contract for last minute premium bailouts for the company.

Y List...Because you cant spell Gravy without the letter Y

QUOTE=NKSMCOTAKEOVER;2531493]You get it.

Some dip sh!ts named freight cowboy and tool are giddy yes voters just because of pure jealousy of a few money makers.

Name calling?? Hahahahaha, someone is afraid I’m right, and yes I did vote yes after going through each section apart carefully.

Jealous of money makers?? Hahahahaha oh I do well myself without having to ki$$ schedulings ass and becoming a yes man or mam.

Tick toc the “gravy” train is about to be derailed

And another thing, I’m not against making money, as long as the CBA is followed.
Your response just demonstrates pure fear!! I will await your fake response of how I’m “wrong”

Im with you. I dont blame people for dropping middle days and waiting for the phone to ring, contractually it's allowed, if not making special side deals. If they want to be on call for the airline on their days off, thats on them.


But nobody can be surprised when the company decides in negotiations that they dont want 5-10 more years of checkerboard reserve drops.

If I went next door and dropped a steaming loaf on the neighbors lawn every day for 8 years, im sure they would eventually build a fence to stop me from doing it any longer.

Bet this is us. 40 320/321neos to an undisclosed customer.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...y-jets-444891/

You keep talking like that, management is going to give you a yellow high five award to wear proudly around the airport[emoji849]


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And it’s why you’ll wake up on the 28th and won’t be happy with the outcome. Most people have the ability to think objectively and able to see concerns both sides have and what is legitimate and what isnt.

It’s not always full speed “burn it down” for most of us.

I can’t reason with the unreasonable so I’ll leave it at that and wait your “pithy” comeback.

I hear that hourly rates are well under industry standard. I hear retirement is in line with the botyom 3 who are currently negotiating. I hear that no one knows what the rules to PBS look like. I hear scope still has major weak areas. I hear that this term (5 years) is to long for this current industry environment. I hear the bonus is light years from industry standard.

Thank you, spot on!

AMEN
Someone gets it.
Current rules will be GONE FOREVER and so will your QOL.
For what? Hourly rates we were supposed to get?
Weak!

Cool story.........

I’d rather be a Yes voter than have my name written on the bathroom wall at OCC.

For the record I have nothing against making money per the CBA. I roll 90-100 hours of credit every month by taking the occasional JA and swapping for better paying trips. I do however think the people who sit at home gaming the RSV system are giant turds who ruined RSV drops for the rest of the group.

So do you share that same rational for the loss of transition? Are you ****ed that the guys who regularly bid transition conflicts ruined that for everyone? You do know that you can tell the company that we’re not giving up reserve rules or any other QOL provisions for substandard pay by voting no.

Watching from the outside...when does the vote close?

2/28, 10am Eastern.

Thanks. It'll be interesting to see what you all decide...