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Qotsautopilot 03-04-2018 12:34 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2542492)
Thanks for the answer. I have not used PBS personally and while I’m familiar with the term unstacking and what it means I’m certainly interested in as much pbs information as I can get from those that have used it before.

The guy that posted the question is using a screen name very similar to mine because he thinks he’s funny I guess.

No need to guess, I'm funny AF!

Opposite Qotsa 03-04-2018 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2542489)
Are you and your two screen names done mocking me for no reason whatsoever? The contract is ratified. It’s over. You’re right I’m not an expert in scope law but I do know how to read. And further, the topics I was speaking about on scope were proven that I was interpreting the language 100% correctly. So what’s your problem?

Haha. Only you would write 3 sentences demonstrating humility, only to punctuate it with abosolute arrogance at the end.

No, no you were not interpreting the language 100% correctly and were corrected many times on these forums.

And what do you mean, 2 screen names? Never thought that maybe that’s someone else? Would it blow your mind to know it’s someone else?

Qotsaautopilot 03-04-2018 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by Opposite Qotsa (Post 2542601)
Haha. Only you would write 3 sentences demonstrating humility, only to punctuate it with abosolute arrogance at the end.

No, no you were not interpreting the language 100% correctly and were corrected many times on these forums.

And what do you mean, 2 screen names? Never thought that maybe that’s someone else? Would it blow your mind to know it’s someone else?

The scope issues I had about capacity purchase agreements being unlimited on both the amount and size of aircraft and codesharing- all true. I was constantly told to go to a road show like every base had a roadshow on day one. Those questions were asked and verified to by the Alpa scope lawyer.

8JRMfortheyear 03-04-2018 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by GoCats67 (Post 2542181)
Where PBS gets messy is that it will have to build everybody a legal line (or a specific number of folks anyway) Since everybody wants 4th of July off, you would think that it would be the junior guys that would end up working over that time. But, If the junior guys all flew most of their flying in late June then they can't fly in early July. Couple that with being a senior guy with vacation late in July and now maybe the only way that everybody can get a line that the system wants to give a line to is by that senior guy working a 4th of July trip!!!

You have vacation in the second half of the month, a guy junior to you does not. The only line that can be built when it gets to your seniority is one that would have you working during your vacation....Welcome to reserve!!!! Even though that guy junior to you gets a line.

System Constraints are everything when it comes to what you want to pay attention to as the Union talks with the company on PBS. You think that seniority is everything?? In PBS, not so much! Being able to build the "right" number of lines is everything. And the company is going to want that be the criteria with the ultimate power. If it is, then seniority can go out the window in a hurry.

Remember that PBS is a very powerful tool. If it has no limits that protect seniority, then the middle half of the seniority list can have some interesting things happen to them on a month to month basis.


One of many PBS shenanigans. Can’t wait to hear all he *****in about PBS.

king10pin02 03-04-2018 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by GoCats67 (Post 2542181)
Where PBS gets messy is that it will have to build everybody a legal line (or a specific number of folks anyway) Since everybody wants 4th of July off, you would think that it would be the junior guys that would end up working over that time. But, If the junior guys all flew most of their flying in late June then they can't fly in early July. Couple that with being a senior guy with vacation late in July and now maybe the only way that everybody can get a line that the system wants to give a line to is by that senior guy working a 4th of July trip!!!

You have vacation in the second half of the month, a guy junior to you does not. The only line that can be built when it gets to your seniority is one that would have you working during your vacation....Welcome to reserve!!!! Even though that guy junior to you gets a line.

System Constraints are everything when it comes to what you want to pay attention to as the Union talks with the company on PBS. You think that seniority is everything?? In PBS, not so much! Being able to build the "right" number of lines is everything. And the company is going to want that be the criteria with the ultimate power. If it is, then seniority can go out the window in a hurry.

Remember that PBS is a very powerful tool. If it has no limits that protect seniority, then the middle half of the seniority list can have some interesting things happen to them on a month to month basis.

👆 this guy gets it.....just wait till senior guys get unstacked or denial mode....

CaptCoolHand 03-05-2018 03:27 PM

Unstacked lately??

13days in a row... with 30hrs off in DET and or SDQ much?

PBS can be your best friend or the evil cvnt that kills your dog before she sets you up for your new wifes murder.

Chimpy 03-05-2018 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2543669)
Unstacked lately??

13days in a row... with 30hrs off in DET and or SDQ much?

PBS can be your best friend or the evil cvnt that kills your dog before she sets you up for your new wifes murder.

Not sure about JB but at Spirit the “free from duty/day off has to be in base (hotel doesnt count) and we also have the 4 days off so above situation is purdy much impossible

CaptCoolHand 03-06-2018 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 2543674)
Not sure about JB but at Spirit the “free from duty/day off has to be in base (hotel doesnt count) and we also have the 4 days off so above situation is purdy much impossible

all good things....

yea, we dont have any of those things.

F9Fan 03-06-2018 01:00 PM


PBS can be your best friend or the evil cvnt that kills your dog before she sets you up for your new wifes murder.
That may be the funniest line I have ever seen

ridinhigh 03-06-2018 07:35 PM

Don’t worry, seniority fixes almost everything.

But really, congratulations.
PBS is industry standard.


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