Life at Spirit Under the TA - Boil it Down
 

Hi all,

I'm not working at Spirit, but there is a good chance I will have the opportunity to do so. I have been reading much of the back and forth regarding how TA will affect you all, but frankly without having the thing in front of me it's hard to boil it all down.

Hopefully I don't fan the flames of discourse here, but I'd appreciate some insight. My main concerns are:

1) How many days off per month, on average?
2) How easy of hard will it be to drop trips, pick up trips, and change your schedule around?

I'm not concerned about earning less then I possibly could.

Thanks

Do you actually know anyone at Spirit? If so, you should ask him or her. But here’s my answer: It is, and will continue to be, a good job in my opinion. Good people for the most part. Flexible schedule. The quality of life will be the same for most of us as it was before unless you were a person who dropped a bunch of reserve days to have the time off. It is a good move to come to Spirit, but if you are young you should still have apps in at the big 4.

Edit: 15-16 days off per month average

No, I don't know anyone at Spirit. I will be applying at the big 4 (app reviewed, will submit today) but I got the call from Spirit and like my chances.

Thanks

7 years, never less than 15 days off. Maybe one or 2 reserve months I was awarded less, but didn't get used.

Given this is based of contract 2010...
This may not be the case soon. The devil is in the details that we don't know yet (PBS).

Conflict drops were a beautiful thing.

You will probably hear the captains you fly with tell you all about them. The once great QOL that we gave up so the people with no dergee, no TPIC, criminal records, live WAY outside their means, 9 or less years left to retire, etc. could get a **** poor raise to make their problems easier to deal with...

But hey, come on over! hahahaha!

Reserve is running about 8 months right now, so 12 days off. From there, the lines vary from 13-16 off. Just depends. Reserve life will change drastically if the TA passes in a couple of days

Average Hardline in LAS is 14.5 days off, so PBS will be an improvement. ...
not sure if I should put /s or :(

When did you submit your application at Spirit? When did you get called?

Just a question: were you expecting AA rates with NK QOL? If not why are you still here?

Been here more than a year and very happy. Your going to hear some negative crap it’s just APC. I never got transition or did checkerboard reserve drops but there is a lot of flexibility to manipulate your schedule with the red green and ability to drop back to the company. I change my schedule every month. Good group of pilots and I have to say all the captains I’ve flown with have been very very sharp. You will enjoy it.

Wrong.
You must not have used PBS in the past.....


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Nope, not at all.
but our QOL is about to taker a dive.
I wasnt "expecting" anything.

Question: is that the best "yes voter" bashing you can give?
tool.........

im giving the guy facts about the future...

F off.

Someone needs a cookie.

You need a tide pod? A safe space?
How about a waaaaaaaaambulance?
We've all read your verbal diarrhea.
You're a troll.....
🖕🏼

No, not mad.
Just tired of reading your S#1T......

So 7 years and with all the opportunity out there these days and you're still a Spirit pilot?
Why?
Your description above is clearly how you view your fellow Spirit pilots. Aren't you better than that?

I could easily leave. But I came here hoping for a kick a$$ startup on the ground level.
I'm sad that most of the pilots here can't see the "Forest for the trees".

Yes, I look at many in that regard that you speak of. Low turnout at picket events, low turnout at road shows.
This group of pilots annoys me.

We could do MUCH better, but are about to settle for mediocrity.

I am actually updating my logs and info in anticipation of this passing.

To those who can get out, it's time.

With the retirements and growth, it's a no brainer.

I'm under 40.

Y'all want to stick it out?
Good for you.

You had an opportunity to really change it, and your fell for the oldest trick in ALPAs book......

Sad.

Life at Spirit Under the TA - Boil it Down
 

To answer your question no one really knows what it will be like once pbs kicks in. Until then if you are on reserve your QOL is going to take a hit for sure, as a fo you can out run that by only being on reserve a short time, as a ca you have the potential to be on reserve for years depending on your base. I’m not sure where you’re coming from but I’d think long and hard before coming here, even with the new ta.


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It must have been hard on you for 7 years.

But you can put it all behind you now. It will be easy.
Good luck!!!

You interviewed here and didn’t get hired; quit hating because we can afford bottle service at your church with the new contract. Or you do work here, and you’re mad because your ex wife you cheated on with a man will get more in alimony.

Explain please......

Been here 5 years, average 13 days off for 85 hours credit (not on cs preferred call list an have 2 kids that need a college fund), never conflict because always need to bid around family. After TA passes I will be able to make the same with 17 days off.

I don't go on here to anonymously call every yes voter a loser with a criminal record, I'm just giving guys facts about the past

Don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out.

How do you figure you’ll go from 13 to 17 Days Off? :rolleyes:

He's not saying he will get a line with 17 days off he is just saying that he could drop to 17 days off and make the same amount that he is now.

Despite the animosity on here it’s a great pilot group to fly with. I’ve been based in Dtw, Dfw, and Ord for the last 3 years and have enjoyed my time here. Excited about the future.

72 hrs with our current 4.5hr duty average is 16 days a month.

72 with a 5 hr duty day avg is 14.4 days a month.

And that doesn’t take into account the improvement in duty rig.

And yeah we can already do the 11 hr 3 days.

There are a lot of 10hr credit, 2 duty 3 day trips, and 14hr 3 duty 4 days (without 22+ layover), in LAS, so it’s easy to build a 72hr 13 day off line. Honestly it would be hard to build worse lines with PBS, the biggest loss is transition for those that could hold it, and the staffing reduction because company doesn’t need to take transition into account.

Yup........................

Query, is an airline that’s been in business 28 years really considered a “start up”?

It is when one doesn’t realize there was a Spirit Airlines before one was hired.

I hope your TA has very specific and strong language on how PBS is implemented. It WILL be the deciding factor for QOL. Just ask anyone from Mesa, you have plenty.

We hope that too!


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If PBS is so awful, why haven't the skygods in Atlanta once put PBS on the chopping block in the last 3 negotiations? Or United? Not one time was it up for discussion to go back to line bidding? Hmmm?? Line bidding at Spirit was the most overrated talking point. You can cry about transition, and reserve drops but our line bidding sucked. I look forward to PBS.

Exactly right! And to the previous poster...this isn't Mesa; so there's no concern of a PBS that looks like Mesa either.

It is not necessarily PBS that is so awful, it is what comes with it. By this I mean that with PBS you no longer ever have conflicts from Month "A" to Month "B". While we gave this up at UA long before FAR 117, I believe that value to the company of PBS now that FAR 117 is here has probably at least doubled. All the additional restrictions that come with FAR 117 make bidding into a conflict much more likely with line bidding today than it was in the past.

If you could have PBS for bidding and force the company to use it to build next month's schedule without regard to what you have in this months schedule (thus allowing conflicts), it would be far and away the greatest system for pilots of all time (way better than the old line bidding).

You’re right, Mesa gets to drop Reserve Days. :cool:

Sorry, couldn’t help myself.

They had just recently gone public and growing dip stick......

I hope none of you get to be aquatinted with the term, “un-stacking”.