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Old 01-09-2019, 11:08 AM
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Not so sure they want Delta tier one applicants. If they sniff you might bail they won't hire you. In fact if you have good experience, are good to fly with for 4 days, and have a slight blemish on your record I believe thst is the perfect candidate.
I disagree with the slight blemish concept. That might have been the case with the old contract, but with this new contract, with the high pay; we can pick from the very best.

With this new contract, very few will actually leave. Pilots are happy here.
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I disagree with the slight blemish concept. That might have been the case with the old contract, but with this new contract, with the high pay; we can pick from the very best.

With this new contract, very few will actually leave. Pilots are happy here.
You’re probably right on most of your post and while this contract is leaps and bounds above our last one we still lag the industry by quite a bit in compensation. Take a look at the year end compensation thread on the majors page. If you take out the signing bonus this year we a crushed by most.

Most narrow body captains are in the upper 2’s or low 3’s pretty much flying their line. We aren’t close to that without the signing bonus included. Toss in profit sharing and higher DC and we start to fall pretty far behind
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Old 01-09-2019, 12:42 PM
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With this new contract, very few will actually leave. Pilots are happy here.
While I'm sure some are happy. All the new contract did for me was make it harder to leave, anyone late 40's into their 50's is going to have a lot harder time leaving now (if they are CA) with the new contract rates it will take longer to catch up if I switch airlines now. Plus with PBS on the horizon and lack of upgrades my QOL is getting ready to tank. I am not unhappy here, but I don't know that I'd go far enough to say I'm happy.
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Old 01-09-2019, 02:48 PM
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While I'm sure some are happy. All the new contract did for me was make it harder to leave, anyone late 40's into their 50's is going to have a lot harder time leaving now (if they are CA) with the new contract rates it will take longer to catch up if I switch airlines now. Plus with PBS on the horizon and lack of upgrades my QOL is getting ready to tank. I am not unhappy here, but I don't know that I'd go far enough to say I'm happy.
Why is your QOL about to tank with PBS?
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Why is your QOL about to tank with PBS?
Can only drop once a year on reserve once PBS kicks in
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Old 02-20-2019, 08:53 AM
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Howdy all,

I just read this whole thread as I am considering a career at Spirit. I have a few questions about working here.

1. The new pay looks good after the first year, but what kind of pay can one realistically expect as an FO on reserve? I know that 72 hours is the guarantee, but what is the typical monthly average for a reserve vs. a line-holder?

2. How easy is it to pick up extra flying? I understand that you can volunteer for extra flying at 200%, but how easy is it to get that? How much extra flying can one actually count on if they are so inclined?

3. Any news on new aircraft orders or new city pairs, or growth outlook in general?

Thanks!
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:05 AM
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Howdy all,

I just read this whole thread as I am considering a career at Spirit. I have a few questions about working here.

1. The new pay looks good after the first year, but what kind of pay can one realistically expect as an FO on reserve? I know that 72 hours is the guarantee, but what is the typical monthly average for a reserve vs. a line-holder?

2. How easy is it to pick up extra flying? I understand that you can volunteer for extra flying at 200%, but how easy is it to get that? How much extra flying can one actually count on if they are so inclined?

3. Any news on new aircraft orders or new city pairs, or growth outlook in general?

Thanks!
I was on RSV for about 9 months. Never came close to breaking guarantee. I averaged about 20-30 hours a month. You cannot pick up open time on RSV. You can list for the x/y list which is paid at 200%. I never did it so I can’t comment on how much these people get called.

A lot of rumors about ac orders, but they are just that....rumors. Nothing has been said by management other than they are exploring all their options. A lot of growth, and expansion. I think we still have about 50ish planes coming thru 2021.....after that, nothing has been set in stone.
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingnut64 View Post
Howdy all,

I just read this whole thread as I am considering a career at Spirit. I have a few questions about working here.

1. The new pay looks good after the first year, but what kind of pay can one realistically expect as an FO on reserve? I know that 72 hours is the guarantee, but what is the typical monthly average for a reserve vs. a line-holder?

2. How easy is it to pick up extra flying? I understand that you can volunteer for extra flying at 200%, but how easy is it to get that? How much extra flying can one actually count on if they are so inclined?

3. Any news on new aircraft orders or new city pairs, or growth outlook in general?

Thanks!

Plan on nothing but guarantee for the year. In addition, you make 1750 for the first three months and no health insurance. You can use cobra from your previous company if you have to. I listed for the X list pickup (200%) for the entire year and got called twice. Both times I couldn't do it.
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingnut64 View Post
Howdy all,

I just read this whole thread as I am considering a career at Spirit. I have a few questions about working here.

1. The new pay looks good after the first year, but what kind of pay can one realistically expect as an FO on reserve? I know that 72 hours is the guarantee, but what is the typical monthly average for a reserve vs. a line-holder?

2. How easy is it to pick up extra flying? I understand that you can volunteer for extra flying at 200%, but how easy is it to get that? How much extra flying can one actually count on if they are so inclined?

3. Any news on new aircraft orders or new city pairs, or growth outlook in general?

Thanks!
Anyone hired today is looking at a 8-10 year upgrade, longer if we slow our growth. PBS will limit lines to 80-85 hours. You can pick up
trips as a line holder, but they are at straight pay. There honestly hasn’t been much to pick up. Open time has been dry. A big drop in 200% calls since this contract passed too. I list my self each month, and I’ve only been called an average of once every 2 months. Plan on $1750 a month your first 90 days, 72 hours of credit for your first year or two has an FO. 80-85 hours after that until you upgrade. And then possibly a decade or more of 72 hours again as a junior captain.

Airplane order will be announced this summer per the investor call.
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Can only drop once a year on reserve once PBS kicks in
RSVs can only drop once a year once PBS comes. Those drops also can’t be over major holidays.

Line holders can drop as much as they want based on the red/green system.
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