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gripngrab 04-27-2018 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by ropestart (Post 2581345)
Curious as well.

Like I said, my contacts there are good. I've been gone from NK less than a month now. I would expect to hear something soon. Either way, its great news for all you NK guys.

TrojanCMH 04-27-2018 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 2581103)
It actually seemed that they wanted to taper growth due to the recent spike in fuel prices. Certain routes will be re-evaluated in off-peak due to their stage length and associated fuel cost. More seasonality/frequency adjustments in the off-peak quarters. Doesn’t seem they’re needy for a new plane order any time soon given the current fundamentals. That said, anything could happen. Said orders may have already occurred at another ULCC and operate a very similar aircraft type.... Marriage in the works a few years down the road??

If this is the case, their thought process seems a bit shortsighted if not completely stupid to me. They're saying they want to slow growth and not order new airplanes, which take several years to get, because fuel prices are high right now? What if they wait to order new planes when fuel is cheap but its expensive several years later when the planes show up. Not ordering planes, for whatever reason, in the past has put them in the bind they are in now in regards to not being able to get any delivery slots from Airbus. I have a hard time believing the recent spike in fuel makes them want to slow growth in the future.

LloydBraun 04-27-2018 10:24 AM

I say the screwed up and got beat out for Airbus slots and now trying to make it look like that’s their plan all along.

putzin 04-27-2018 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by LloydBraun (Post 2581491)
I say the screwed up and got beat out for Airbus slots and now trying to make it look like that’s their plan all along.

The more likely scenario.

David Puddy 04-27-2018 01:12 PM

CSeries would make complete sense - more fuel efficient than existing A319/20s and plenty of delivery slots available. With the impending Airbus JV support and favorable experience from SWISS adding the CS100 and CS300, it just makes sense for Spirit to seriously consider it.

Bottom line: the CS300 would be a great growth platform for Spirit in all market types (including secondary markets) - even Air Canada recognizes the benefits and will be adding 45+ CS300s starting in 2019...

Lincoln Osiris 04-27-2018 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2581612)
CSeries would make complete sense - more fuel efficient than existing A319/20s and plenty of delivery slots available. With the impending Airbus JV support and favorable experience from SWISS adding the CS100 and CS300, it just makes sense for Spirit to seriously consider it.

Bottom line: the CS300 would be a great growth platform for Spirit in all market types (including secondary markets) - even Air Canada recognizes the benefits and will be adding 45+ CS300s starting in 2019...

LOL to be fair Air Canada pretty much had to buy them to support the home grown airplane. I don't even think Bombardier made a penny of the sale of those because they discounted them so much.

David Puddy 04-27-2018 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 2581625)
LOL to be fair Air Canada pretty much had to buy them to support the home grown airplane. I don't even think Bombardier made a penny of the sale of those because they discounted them so much.

To be fair? Really? The AC E190s had high CASMs and the more versatile and efficient CS300s will replace them. Again, launch pricing is always cheaper. Do you know anything about the CSeries and it’s optimized technology? Check out what Air Canada is saying about the CS300:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/air-canadas-cs300s-could-enable-broad-network-chang-434067/

Take note of how they think the CS300 could be used on any route and how the CASM is comparable to that of much bigger airplanes with higher seat counts. It’s a game changer and most people have zero clue what it can do in terms of efficiency and route versatility. The airlines in Europe that are now using the CSeries seem very pleased with it.

Lincoln Osiris 04-27-2018 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2581691)
To be fair? Really? The AC E190s had high CASMs and the more versatile and efficient CS300s will replace them. Again, launch pricing is always cheaper. Do you know anything about the CSeries and it’s optimized technology? Check out what Air Canada is saying about the CS300:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-chang-434067/

Take note of how they think the CS300 could be used on any route and how the CASM is comparable to that of much bigger airplanes with higher seat counts. It’s a game changer and most people have zero clue what it can do in terms of efficiency and route versatility. The airlines in Europe that are now using the CSeries seem very pleased with it.

How long have you worked for Bombardier?

David Puddy 04-27-2018 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 2581729)
How long have you worked for Bombardier?

Zero relationship. Just a big fan of new technology and I have watched the program since it’s inception. Perhaps you should do a little research about the CSeries instead of being so dismissive. Again, do yourself a favor and re-read this and think about how Spirit could use something with this low CASM and flexibility:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/air-canadas-cs300s-could-enable-broad-network-chang-434067/

Just think about how many secondary markets could benefit from Spirit service - markets like Dean Moines, Spokane, Syracuse, Baton Rouge and Harrisburg, to name a few. Older A319s and A320s would not be economical in a number of these markets - but an airplane like the CS300 is already 25% more efficient than the A319/20. Suddenly these markets are more viable and you can offer shorter connections to bigger markets or skip them and fly routes like Dean Moines to FLL or SYR to PHX profitably. You can’t beat the economics - especially as fuel costs are starting to rise again. Overall, the CSeries is a great airplane and I would love to see it in Spirit’s taxi cab yellow colors.

elmetal 04-27-2018 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2581751)
Zero relationship. Just a big fan of new technology and I have watched the program since it’s inception. Perhaps you should do a little research about the CSeries instead of being so dismissive. Again, do yourself a favor and re-read this and think about how Spirit could use something with this low CASM and flexibility:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/air-canadas-cs300s-could-enable-broad-network-chang-434067/

It’s a great airplane and I would love to see it in Spirit’s taxi cab yellow colors.

Not to mention the technology makes the Airbus look like a CRJ.


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