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Originally Posted by astral (Post 2614121)

Statements containing: "If", "may", "at the discretion", "shall make every effort" etc.
are absolutely useless, not worth negotiating capital nor the paper they are written on.
Only, "must", "shall", "will" etc. are binding.

They did elect to and it SHALL be pilot only

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Originally Posted by StewBlu (Post 2613788)

You seem to be conflating a "crew rest facility" and a "crew room".

5:I:1: "If the Company elects to establish a crew rest facility at a domicile, it shall be a pilot-only facility and shall meet, at a minimum, the following standards"

Plus, it is conditional - "If the company..."

Contract definition: “Rest” or “Rest Period” means an off-duty period between checkout and check-in, either at domicile or away from domicile.

I'm unsure of what the purpose of this contract provision is for as the FAA defines a rest facility as: "a bunk or seat accommodation installed in an aircraft that provides a flightcrew member with a sleep opportunity."

5.A.6
“For scheduled or rescheduled layovers between four and five hours (block-in to block-out), the Company shall make available either a suitable crew rest facility or a double occupancy hotel room at an established crew hotel reasonably close to the airport.”

I’ve been told that this is why we have quiet rooms within the crew rooms. They are considered to be “crew rest facilities”

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Originally Posted by astral (Post 2614121)

All conditional statements MUST be followed with a solution:

Deadhead will be "to the maximum extent possible" in a big front seat, if no big front seat is available for the DH pilot, he will get 150% for the deadhead.

Transport to hotel "should" be available within 30 minutes after on block, if not the pilot will be reimbursed for ANY option to get to the hotel.

5-E-2-e
The company "shall make its best efforts" to obtain the following:
11). Room assignments and room key distribution in hotel van on the way from airport to the hotel", IF NOT 30 MINUTES OF PAY WILL BE ADDED TO GUARANTEE" (5 years here, haven't gotten a hotel key on the van on a short layover yet)....

I concur. ^^^
Well said.
Where is the remedy?

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Originally Posted by astral (Post 2614121)

Of course there’s my personal favorite: “reasonable.”