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Tranquility 04-25-2023 05:21 AM

We were all new at one point, that’s a given. BUT, many of us cut our teeth at the regionals or other places for many many years before even getting a shot at flying for a major. That experience is invaluable. It’s not tribal knowledge, or some other blather, it’s just experience. Doing your experience building at a major, instead of at a regional is something many of us Captains thought we left behind when we vacated our Captain jobs at the regionals. Teaching 20-something’s the ins and outs of the 121 world is different when you’re flying a 50-seater to Killeen or Knoxville vs. a A321 with 200+ pax 5 FAs to San Jose Costa Rica…. And, many of us are just getting fatigued of it.

So, I’m with Cinco…. I’ll set the brake and take a breath and let the other guy catch up.

Russs 04-25-2023 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation (Post 3628680)
This. 100%. Know your job; do your job.

I know my job, and do my job well. Could always do better though, and constantly work to do just that. I would also never look at someone and say "do your job", regardless of seat. Is that like a captain ego thing that some of you guys have? Should I stare at you when you miss something and wait for you to catch it? Let me guess...that NEVER happens? You guys are probably the ones who yell at FAs, gate agents and rampers too.

PossibleDeviation 04-25-2023 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by Russs (Post 3628683)
You guys sound like a joy to be on a trip with!

This is a major airline, not summer camp.

Russs 04-25-2023 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3628684)
We were all new at one point, that’s a given. BUT, many of us cut our teeth at the regionals or other places for many many years before even getting a shot at flying for a major. That experience is invaluable. It’s not tribal knowledge, or some other blather, it’s just experience. Doing your experience building at a major, instead of at a regional is something many of us Captains thought we left behind when we vacated our Captain jobs at the regionals. Teaching 20-something’s the ins and outs of the 121 world is different when you’re flying a 50-seater to Killeen or Knoxville vs. a A321 with 200+ pax 5 FAs to San Jose Costa Rica…. And, many of us are just getting fatigued of it.

So, I’m with Cinco…. I’ll set the brake and take a breath and let the other guy catch up.


I am not arguing this at all. I don't think anyone should have to teach the ins and outs of the 121 world. Its the attitude I have a problem with. Setting the brake to catch a breath and letting everyone catch up is a far different attitude than staring at someone or saying "do your job".

Russs 04-25-2023 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation (Post 3628692)
This is a major airline, not summer camp.


Well your attitude sucks.

CincoDeMayo 04-25-2023 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by Russs (Post 3628696)
Well your attitude sucks.

How many “participation trophies” did you get growing up?

This is a career, not flight school. Captains are not flight instructors.
You’re 100% right a CA has the right, the responsibility, to look at the FO and tell them to “do your job” if they aren’t doing your job. Hurt feeling? Who cares. FOs have No Fly Lists, have at it.

It’s very simple, show up prepared, done.

Russs 04-25-2023 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3628716)
How many “participation trophies” did you get growing up?

This is a career, not flight school. Captains are not flight instructors.
You’re 100% right a CA has the right, the responsibility, to look at the FO and tell them to “do your job” if they aren’t doing your job. Hurt feeling? Who cares. FOs have No Fly Lists, have at it.

It’s very simple, show up prepared, done.

Exactly zero participation trophies. I am probably a lot older than you are assuming. I was given nothing in life and worked hard for everything....including my aviation career. If you'd like to have a conversation about what I've put into this, I am happy to do that with you. I may be relatively new the 121 world but I am not new at life. Not once did I claim that captains should be flight instructors, or hand holders. I expect everyone to do their job...I'm just not a d*ck about it. This attitude is the reason FOs have no fly lists. In my experience, people like that are disgruntled for other reasons....Legacy not calling? If you have a problem with the experience level your airline is hiring, move on.....simple as that.

CincoDeMayo 04-25-2023 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by Russs (Post 3628729)
Exactly zero participation trophies. I am probably a lot older than you are assuming. I was given nothing in life and worked hard for everything....including my aviation career. If you'd like to have a conversation about what I've put into this, I am happy to do that with you. I may be relatively new the 121 world but I am not new at life. Not once did I claim that captains should be flight instructors, or hand holders. I expect everyone to do their job...I'm just not a d*ck about it. This attitude is the reason FOs have no fly lists. In my experience, people like that are disgruntled for other reasons....Legacy not calling? If you have a problem with the experience level your airline is hiring, move on.....simple as that.

Haha..I was wondering when the regional pilot would drop the "legacy not calling" line. You know what the best part is? When I have to set the parking brake because you cant find the ramp frequency, my hourly rate keeps ticking. Once you get your time and apply to a legacy, just know the CAs at those legacy airlines wont hold your hand either, and dont think for a second a DAL or AAL CA gives two craps about how you feel if you keep messing up.

Russs 04-25-2023 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3628732)
Haha..I was wondering when the regional pilot would drop the "legacy not calling" line. You know what the best part is? When I have to set the parking brake because you cant find the ramp frequency, my hourly rate keeps ticking. Once you get your time and apply to a legacy, just know the CAs at those legacy airlines wont hold your hand either, and dont think for a second a DAL or AAL CA gives two craps about how you feel if you keep messing up.

So the answer is, no they are not. Got it. I feel like you are having a hard time comprehending here. I'll say it again....I don't think anyone should have to have their hand held. I don't believe in "participation trophies" and and I don't do well with lazy anything. I love how you categorize a "regional pilot". Like a regional pilot is soooooooo much lower than you. Very telling. I may end up a Spirit, actually. It's on my short list for a number of reasons.....perhaps you'll get the honor of being my first "no fly". Attitude is everything in life, and yours...is awful.

demonrat 04-25-2023 09:12 AM

Definitely go to Delta.

Definitely.


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