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Tiffanyc1982 09-22-2018 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by flyjbh (Post 2671716)
I like him, so does my stock portfolio. Also, I’m seeeenior to you

You like Trump?:eek: Yeeeesh, don’t ever ask me out!

Jetjock65 09-23-2018 06:52 AM

Sounds like there are a few of you that need a systems review of how the Auto brake system works-

galleycafe 09-23-2018 07:18 AM

I know how it works! I push the button, or i call for the button to be pushed.

Then i push the Fwd call button and ask for a cup of our Arabica.

Plane Coffee

Ed Force One 09-23-2018 09:11 AM

Arabica? In your dreams, buddy!

galleycafe 09-23-2018 09:42 AM

https://customersupport.spirit.com/h...-on-the-plane-

Exhibit A. Dream achieved.

Plane Coffee

flyjbh 09-23-2018 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by Tiffanyc1982 (Post 2679332)
You like Trump?:eek: Yeeeesh, don’t ever ask me out!



A bit over confident are we?


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flyguy320 09-24-2018 06:21 PM

Reserve time for DFW base
 
Sorry if this was covered earlier, but how long does it take from DOH to becoming a lineholder for the DFW base? Thanks!!

Halon1211 09-24-2018 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy320 (Post 2680328)
Sorry if this was covered earlier, but how long does it take from DOH to becoming a lineholder for the DFW base? Thanks!!

8 months give or take.

flyguy320 09-25-2018 03:26 AM

Ok thanks Halon!

GWY320 09-25-2018 03:49 AM

First Year FO reserves
 
Most junior lineholder for the October award in DFW is an August 2017 hire.

Green Giant 09-25-2018 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Tiffanyc1982 (Post 2679332)
You like Trump?:eek: Yeeeesh, don’t ever ask me out!

Don’t worry I won’t.

galleycafe 09-25-2018 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by Tiffanyc1982 (Post 2679332)
You like Trump?:eek: Yeeeesh, don’t ever ask me out!

Wanna grab a cup of Plane Coffee with me?

My mom says I'm a catch.

tinman1 09-25-2018 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by galleycafe (Post 2680743)
Wanna grab a cup of Plane Coffee with me?

My mom says I'm a catch.

I like my coffee dark and bitter, just like my...beer :cool:

BarrySeal 09-29-2018 01:04 PM

Sorry if I missed it, but what is real-world, after taxes, net pay monthly for Year-1 ?


Thank you

Silver02ex 09-29-2018 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by BarrySeal (Post 2683064)
Sorry if I missed it, but what is real-world, after taxes, net pay monthly for Year-1 ?


Thank you

There's too many factors, how many dependents do you claim, state income tax. Roth or Pre tax 401K, Medical/Dental, the list goes on.

BarrySeal 09-29-2018 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 2683110)
There's too many factors, how many dependents do you claim, state income tax. Roth or Pre tax 401K, Medical/Dental, the list goes on.


is $2000 net a reasonable expectation, monthly ?


No state income tax (Texas), wife and kids. fairly plain-jane deductions

AllOva736 09-29-2018 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by BarrySeal (Post 2683112)
is $2000 net a reasonable expectation, monthly ?


No state income tax (Texas), wife and kids. fairly plain-jane deductions

$55x72 ( minimum guarantee) = $3,960 before tax and per diem so yes, you should be able to clear at least 3k.

Ducttape 09-29-2018 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by BarrySeal (Post 2683112)
is $2000 net a reasonable expectation, monthly ?


No state income tax (Texas), wife and kids. fairly plain-jane deductions

Even IF you were to get an interview at Spirit, they would smell “flight risk” allllll over you.

Anyone who posts a thread in the Southwest section asking “envoy or Spirit” as the best path to SWA, must have “SWA” written across his forehead.

Best of luck to you. I personally don’t want to share a flight deck with someone who thinks this place is on par with any regional; I don’t want that mindset at this place.

And it’s insukting to those of us who are making a career out of this place while you view it as a stepping stone. I’d rather not waste a class spot on someone like you.

9 months under new contract and 3 under old, and signing bonus; I’ll make $300k this year. Next year without the signing bonus I’ll make over $250k easily. This ain’t a regional, brother.

You don’t have a minute of jet or 121 time to your resume. You are not a preferred hire or even likely to get an interview.

Sorry if my position is direct; but wasting people’s time asking how much you will make first year while trying to “bail”, waste of time

Ed Force One 09-29-2018 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by Ducttape (Post 2683163)

And it’s insulting to those of us who are making a career out of this place while you view it as a stepping stone. I’d rather not waste a class spot on someone like you.
{SNIP}
Sorry if my position is direct; but wasting people’s time asking how much you will make first year while trying to “bail”, waste of time

I disagree. If we continue to have a high turnover rate, it's possible, (not likely, but possible) that it will get noticed by higher-ups. While the next contract is still far away, a high turnover rate is a bargaining chip, albeit a weak one, as we found out last year.

I ask all my 20-something FO's if they have their stuff out and take small pleasure when they say that they do. Yes, I've committed to a career here for my own reasons, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to.

As long as they don't approach it with an entitled and condescending attitude, that is.

Silver02ex 09-29-2018 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 2683249)
I disagree. If we continue to have a high turnover rate, it's possible, (not likely, but possible) that it will get noticed by higher-ups. While the next contract is still far away, a high turnover rate is a bargaining chip, albeit a weak one, as we found out last year.

I ask all my 20-something FO's if they have their stuff out and take small pleasure when they say that they do. Yes, I've committed to a career here for my own reasons, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to.

As long as they don't approach it with an entitled and condescending attitude, that is.

I have no problem with someone who wants to be working here but have apps updated elsewhere. However, when you post "Envoy or Spirit" and think we are just another regional. I don't think we need guys like that working here. IMO

BarrySeal 09-29-2018 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by Ducttape (Post 2683163)
Even IF you were to get an interview at Spirit, they would smell “flight risk” allllll over you.

Anyone who posts a thread in the Southwest section asking “envoy or Spirit” as the best path to SWA, must have “SWA” written across his forehead.

Best of luck to you. I personally don’t want to share a flight deck with someone who thinks this place is on par with any regional; I don’t want that mindset at this place.

And it’s insukting to those of us who are making a career out of this place while you view it as a stepping stone. I’d rather not waste a class spot on someone like you.

9 months under new contract and 3 under old, and signing bonus; I’ll make $300k this year. Next year without the signing bonus I’ll make over $250k easily. This ain’t a regional, brother.

You don’t have a minute of jet or 121 time to your resume. You are not a preferred hire or even likely to get an interview.

Sorry if my position is direct; but wasting people’s time asking how much you will make first year while trying to “bail”, waste of time


Thanks for feedback

Total BS 09-30-2018 10:42 AM

It’s silly to take offense to an up and coming pilot to see Spirit and use Spirit as a stepping stone. Yeah I love meeting new guys that want to retire from Spirit, but come on...
There is tremendous opportunity across the industry. Guys would be foolish to not keep their eyes and ears open.

TransWorld 09-30-2018 12:36 PM

You forget about the paroled mass murders. They can’t get hired by the majors, so they are a ‘safe’ hire. ;)

But they are few and far between. So Spirit has to hire qualified pilots that may jump to the majors.

capmflojo 10-16-2018 04:19 AM

How long to just hold DFW as a base?

putzin 10-16-2018 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by capmflojo (Post 2691979)
How long to just hold DFW as a base?

Anybody's guess now. We are just beginning to staff MCO and it's unknown how the back fill will go.

There are many jets coming between now and the end of Q1, so I wouldn't imagine long.

king10pin02 10-16-2018 04:28 AM


Originally Posted by capmflojo (Post 2691979)
How long to just hold DFW as a base?

most jr fo on the dec award was 8/27/2018 hire

Ducttape 10-16-2018 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 2691983)
Anybody's guess now. We are just beginning to staff MCO and it's unknown how the back fill will go.

There are many jets coming between now and the end of Q1, so I wouldn't imagine long.

This is the key..base reductions as we increase DFW. Bases like DFW might be getting smaller before they start to grow again. And DFW growth has been slower than the other bases over the last 5 years.

Any pilot looking to get hired on now, needs to realize DFW might take a while to hold as we grow MCO, and sort through the guys hired on before who are waiting to go as well.

Halon1211 10-16-2018 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by Ducttape (Post 2692097)
This is the key..base reductions as we increase DFW. Bases like DFW might be getting smaller before they start to grow again. And DFW growth has been slower than the other bases over the last 5 years.

Any pilot looking to get hired on now, needs to realize DFW might take a while to hold as we grow MCO, and sort through the guys hired on before who are waiting to go as well.

Any guess on how many DFW FO’s currently would want to move to MCO? (ie, they commute from Central Florida/ South east region)

Ducttape 10-16-2018 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2692360)
Any guess on how many DFW FO’s currently would want to move to MCO? (ie, they commute from Central Florida/ South east region)

Well I remember back when guys were waiting 2 years or so to hold FLL CA and would end up upgrading into DFW while waiting for FLL. During that time some would decide “DFW isn’t that bad,” and moved to DFW and gave up on FLL.

So I’m curious there may be guys going the other way; waiting for DFW at another base, like MCO, and saying “heck, I’ll just move to MCO”.

MCO might be a big hit for this airline. Orlando will always be a place of tourism and needed cheap airfare. Dare I say, “Huuuuge”

AllOva736 10-16-2018 11:06 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2692360)
Any guess on how many DFW FO’s currently would want to move to MCO? (ie, they commute from Central Florida/ South east region)

How would anyone possibly know that?

FedexGuy 10-17-2018 12:10 AM

How long to hold a Dtw line?

Flightcap 10-17-2018 04:35 AM


Originally Posted by FedexGuy (Post 2692601)
How long to hold a Dtw line?

7-9 months to reliably hold at least a relief line. I'm five months on property and a couple classes back from the most junior relief lines.

FedexGuy 10-17-2018 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by Flightcap (Post 2692640)
7-9 months to reliably hold at least a relief line. I'm five months on property and a couple classes back from the most junior relief lines.

Thanks. And what is a relief line exactly? Sorry, new to all this...

Flightcap 10-17-2018 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by FedexGuy (Post 2692655)
Thanks. And what is a relief line exactly? Sorry, new to all this...

It's a line made up partially of reserve days and partially of trips. I don't know what the overall ratio typically is between trips and reserve. I haven't got any experience from which to tell you.

FNGFO 10-17-2018 06:04 AM

You can ask for no reserve on a relief line. Or certain days off. Or certain kinds of trips. And you can drop the whole thing if you don’t like what is sent to you and he reserve grid supports it. They offer a lot of flexibility.

Tranquility 10-17-2018 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 2692674)
And you can drop the whole thing if you don’t like what is sent to you and he reserve grid supports it. They offer a lot of flexibility.

Not exactly, the arbitration award made dropping reserve while you’re a relief holder just like reserve line holders (only one block, outside in, etc...) The way one way around it is to swap the reserve for a trip, then subsequently drop the trip if it’s green. If there’s no trip to swap into, you’re SOL.

FNGFO 10-17-2018 08:21 AM

This is true. I guess I’ve never had a bunch of reserve on a REL line so I haven’t thought about it.

Qotsaautopilot 10-17-2018 08:36 AM

The company has no obligation to offer relief lines when we switch to pbs. They may or may not exist moving forward

Ducttape 10-17-2018 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 2692674)
You can ask for no reserve on a relief line. Or certain days off. Or certain kinds of trips. And you can drop the whole thing if you don’t like what is sent to you and he reserve grid supports it. They offer a lot of flexibility.

The only contractual thing you can request on a REL is a specific block of days off. Asking for “no reserve” on a REL line is as effective as placing a tooth under your pillow for the tooth fairy to come. Same goes for asking for “certain kids of trips”


And others have said, you can’t drop reserve on relief lines. You’ll have to swap into a trip and drop the trip if it’s green.

Where did you even get this information? Because is nowhere in our contract and only sets people up for anger and disappointment when they don’t “get” what they requested.

putzin 10-17-2018 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by Ducttape (Post 2692799)
The only contractual thing you can request on a REL is a specific block of days off. Asking for “no reserve” on a REL line is as effective as placing a tooth under your pillow for the tooth fairy to come. Same goes for asking for “certain kids of trips”


And others have said, you can’t drop reserve on relief lines. You’ll have to swap into a trip and drop the trip if it’s green.

Where did you even get this information? Because is nowhere in our contract and only sets people up for anger and disappointment when they don’t “get” what they requested.

You can drop reserve on a relief line, but only 1 block (if green) and outside in OR trade it for a trip in DOT.

In general a relief line, today, offers more flexibility than a reserve line.


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